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Reply #90 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:14pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

Why not takes kids away from people who believe the Climate Change Hysterical Lies? That is also a religion.

Certainly some claims it makes can be debunked, but more seriously, the supernatural claims it makes can be safely ignored.

Effectively extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, which isn't provided.

Climate change is science, it actually has evidence. There are certainly political aspects to the consequences, but to claim climate science is akin to religion show a fundamental misunderstanding of what science is and how it accumulates evidence. You may want to dispute the evidence or models, but the evidence is there. Religion does not have this. It just has claims without any corresponding evidence.

Climate Science is very much a religion. It has its high priests (mann and Gore etc). It has its scriptures (IPCC reports) and its adherents who sprout the same thing day in day out predicting doom and gloom while having a success rate of zero percent.

Climate science is easily the most discredited science in the word today. It is no more accurate that astrology and alchemy. When they actually get something RIGHT, things might change, but at the moment, a Climate Hysteric is believing in something, unproven at best and frequently DISproven.

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Reply #91 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:51pm:

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:46pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

And yet, just a few short days ago, you and the rest of the leftist circus was arguing until you were blue in the face about how moslems in years 2 - 6 were right to place their religion above simple respect for the community in which they live.

Would you Care to explain the inconsistency?

The only statement I made on a muslim thread in the last few days is 'this is a storm in a teacup' and stopped reading.

If what Erlich says, on Q&A ore anywhere else, is not the ultimate definition of a storm in a teacup, what is??

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Reply #92 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:39am:

There's none.

I'm still waiting. I do enjoy this conversation. Many people get regularly lied to by their pastors (like I was) about the historical reliability of Jesus. I was really quite shocked when I started looking into it myself, and was a big part of why I started questioning my faith.

I don't think they do it on purpose, just that they repeat what they were told without investigating. Not a single piece of evidence from when Jesus was supposed to have lived even exists, it's quite remarkable. As always I'm happy to be proven wrong on this.

It would not be hard, but I suspect the problem is that you would NOT be happy to be proven wrong. I've debated this with plenty of people in real life and I know how this plays out. You accept without question the standard historical figures of the past such as Plato or Socrates and Alexander the Great with levels of proof way below that of Jesus. But when it comes the Jesus, the standard of proof suddenly rises to the unobtainable and voila... you think you have made a point.

The problem with questions like the existence of God or the historicity of Jesus is that these are not and cannot be simple academic questions. To admit to either it is to recognise a significant truth which you find unacceptable.

It is the same reason evolution is embraced despite the massive problems with it - not to mention the impossibility of it - because the only alternative is Creation which implies God and that is a 100% unacceptable answer.

I am not being rude but you are NOT happy to be proven wrong or to even accept the possibility because to do so implies something of very deep significance.

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Reply #93 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:21pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:27am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:21am:

I feel sorry for people who dont have a spiritual side.

you assume, wrongly, that those that don't believe in god aren't spiritual ... I think you can be both.

Every time I walk out in the warm sun, every time I hear the sound of the waves crashing on the beach, every time I feel the caress of a beautiful woman, its a spiritual experience.

I don't need to believe in fairy tales to be spiritual. Wink

You clearly don't understand the meaning of 'spiritual' which is unsurprising since you don't seem to be cognizant of the meanings of most words.

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Reply #94 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:22pm

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:03pm:

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 11:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 9:58am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 8:15am:

Now if you can PROVE Christianity wrong then you have a point, but until that time you have to accept that perhaps it is true and it is YOU than needs to have kids taken away from.

There is no more perhaps it is true than any other religion, including things like Scientology. There are many specific claims the religion makes that are almost certainly not true.

The entire basis for the religion is completely unreasonable in any case. It's rather clear why people believe it and how it came to be prominent.

There is not a single good reason to believe the supernatural claims the religion makes.

Nor any proof to debunk it either. That is why in matters of religion we give FREEDOM - something Greens apparently does not support.

So you support mutilating children's sexual organs on the grounds of religious freedom.

You're confusing tribal rituals with religion.

Tribal rituals are religion.

Rubbish. The Melbourne Cup is a 'tribal ritual'. It is not a religion.

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Reply #95 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:24pm

Ajax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 1:24pm:

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 12:32pm:

Circumcision.

elective surgery performed on neonates and children for religious and cultural reasons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circumcision

And now we have gone full circle and are back at mutilating children's sexual organs because of religion.

My original question is still waiting on an answer.

This religious enforcement onto children, is it child abuse?

There is no place in the bible where it says males should be circumcised.

This is a ritual practiced by Jews who also introduced it to Muslims and other north African peoples.

I'm Orthodox basically I pray to the same God that Jews and Muslims pray to yet I'm not circumcised.

Its a ritual thing developed in tribes not by religion.

http://s9.postimg.org/x33u3yb1r/circ.jpg

Circumcision was an Old Testament covenant with God. Some still do it for hygiene reasons.

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Reply #96 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:40pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:14pm:

Climate Science is very much a religion. It has its high priests (mann and Gore etc). It has its scriptures (IPCC reports) and its adherents who sprout the same thing day in day out predicting doom and gloom while having a success rate of zero percent.

Climate science is easily the most discredited science in the word today. It is no more accurate that astrology and alchemy. When they actually get something RIGHT, things might change, but at the moment, a Climate Hysteric is believing in something, unproven at best and frequently DISproven.

Touche, nicely said......

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #97 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:05pm

Soren wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:51pm:

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:46pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

And yet, just a few short days ago, you and the rest of the leftist circus was arguing until you were blue in the face about how moslems in years 2 - 6 were right to place their religion above simple respect for the community in which they live.

Would you Care to explain the inconsistency?

The only statement I made on a muslim thread in the last few days is 'this is a storm in a teacup' and stopped reading.

If what Erlich says, on Q&A ore anywhere else, is not the ultimate definition of a storm in a teacup, what is??

Nice of you to consider child abuse a storm in a teacup.

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Reply #98 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:09pm

All the fear coming out of the leftards stupid mouths is child abuse. Firstly it's the ozone layer, then the dams would dry up and now the caps are melting etc etc etc. Kids must be petrified. The idiot that made that comment on Q&A wrote a book saying the world would starve by the 1980's. I wouldn't believe a word this retard says.

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Reply #100 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:52pm

____ wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 5:05pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:51pm:

... wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:46pm:

____ wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2015 at 9:19pm:

Paul Ehrlich on qanda

http://www.abc.net.au/tv/qanda/coming_up.htm#PAUL_EHRLICH

Stated teaching children fictional religions is child abuse.

So why is this child abuse acceptable?

And yet, just a few short days ago, you and the rest of the leftist circus was arguing until you were blue in the face about how moslems in years 2 - 6 were right to place their religion above simple respect for the community in which they live.

Would you Care to explain the inconsistency?

The only statement I made on a muslim thread in the last few days is 'this is a storm in a teacup' and stopped reading.

If what Erlich says, on Q&A ore anywhere else, is not the ultimate definition of a storm in a teacup, what is??

Nice of you to consider child abuse a storm in a teacup.

Oh, you emoting, po-faced little Nazi, you.

Just because you or Erlich assert something as child abuse it doesn't make it so.

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Reply #101 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:03pm

Yeah, religious instruction in school time is child abuse. Believe me, I know! I went to a Catholic primary school here. Prayer, RI, confession and Mass etc cut into learning time.

When I went to public HS I had to work hard for a term to catch up. I am pretty bright and I had the advantage of 4 years education in Holland—much advanced over here (in the 1950s.)

Waste of time talking about invisible sky fairies!

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Reply #102 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:39am:

There's none.

I'm still waiting. I do enjoy this conversation. Many people get regularly lied to by their pastors (like I was) about the historical reliability of Jesus. I was really quite shocked when I started looking into it myself, and was a big part of why I started questioning my faith.

I don't think they do it on purpose, just that they repeat what they were told without investigating. Not a single piece of evidence from when Jesus was supposed to have lived even exists, it's quite remarkable. As always I'm happy to be proven wrong on this.

It would not be hard, but I suspect the problem is that you would NOT be happy to be proven wrong. I've debated this with plenty of people in real life and I know how this plays out. You accept without question the standard historical figures of the past such as Plato or Socrates and Alexander the Great with levels of proof way below that of Jesus. But when it comes the Jesus, the standard of proof suddenly rises to the unobtainable and voila... you think you have made a point.

The problem with questions like the existence of God or the historicity of Jesus is that these are not and cannot be simple academic questions. To admit to either it is to recognise a significant truth which you find unacceptable.

It is the same reason evolution is embraced despite the massive problems with it - not to mention the impossibility of it - because the only alternative is Creation which implies God and that is a 100% unacceptable answer.

I am not being rude but you are NOT happy to be proven wrong or to even accept the possibility because to do so implies something of very deep significance.

Woah woah woah. I just ask for one of your eyewitnesses and you totally dodge the question. You said there were a bunch of eyewitnesses and I'm curious to who you mean by this, as I have come across none in quite a lot of research.

Please, give me the names of people you think were eyewitnesses of Jesus and I'll check them out and see if they stack up.

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Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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Reply #103 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 4:20pm:

Stratos wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:44am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:39am:

There's none.

I'm still waiting. I do enjoy this conversation. Many people get regularly lied to by their pastors (like I was) about the historical reliability of Jesus. I was really quite shocked when I started looking into it myself, and was a big part of why I started questioning my faith.

I don't think they do it on purpose, just that they repeat what they were told without investigating. Not a single piece of evidence from when Jesus was supposed to have lived even exists, it's quite remarkable. As always I'm happy to be proven wrong on this.

It would not be hard, but I suspect the problem is that you would NOT be happy to be proven wrong. I've debated this with plenty of people in real life and I know how this plays out. You accept without question the standard historical figures of the past such as Plato or Socrates and Alexander the Great with levels of proof way below that of Jesus. But when it comes the Jesus, the standard of proof suddenly rises to the unobtainable and voila... you think you have made a point.

The problem with questions like the existence of God or the historicity of Jesus is that these are not and cannot be simple academic questions. To admit to either it is to recognise a significant truth which you find unacceptable.

It is the same reason evolution is embraced despite the massive problems with it - not to mention the impossibility of it - because the only alternative is Creation which implies God and that is a 100% unacceptable answer.

I am not being rude but you are NOT happy to be proven wrong or to even accept the possibility because to do so implies something of very deep significance.

Woah woah woah. I just ask for one of your eyewitnesses and you totally dodge the question. You said there were a bunch of eyewitnesses and I'm curious to who you mean by this, as I have come across none in quite a lot of research.

Please, give me the names of people you think were eyewitnesses of Jesus and I'll check them out and see if they stack up.

The first four books of the New Testament are eye-witness accounts. You do not get to reject them just because they are in the Bible.

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Reply #104 - Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:25pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 6:18pm:

The first four books of the New Testament are eye-witness accounts.

Whose eye witnessed it then? The Gospels are all anonymously authored.

edit: also, most estimates seem to think the gospels were penned around 70 AD at the earliest, which makes the possibility of it being an eyewitness account pretty slim, even if you did know who wrote them.

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Pete Waldo wrote on Jan 15^th, 2014 at 11:24pm:

Thus killing those Canaanite babies while they were still innocent, was a particularly merciful act

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