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Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:49pm
 
I just found out -
you can't even carry a little Swiss Army knife on your key ring:

You can see one here on their poster - click to open as a .pdf:

www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp?media_id=108958&status=active



An example of a nice Swiss Army knife
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http://www.police.vic.gov.au/content.asp?Document_ID=26793

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New Weapons Laws

Release date: Thu 3 June 2010

Last updated: Mon 17 August 2015

The Victorian Government has introduced new laws to target knife crime.
From 1 September 2015

A person 18 years of age or over must not possess, carry or use a controlled weapon such as a knife without lawful excuse. Additionally, sale of a controlled weapon to a child, or the purchase of a controlled item by a child is an offence.

A disposable knife made of plastic, bamboo or wood and designed for, and utilised exclusively for eating purposes is not included in the definition of a controlled weapon. Therefore, these items are not restricted and can be used, purchased, or sold to individuals under 18 years of age.
From 22 August 2010

You can be searched for knives in a public place anywhere, anytime, with and without notice.

If you are 16 and over and get caught carrying a controlled weapon such as a knife, you face an on the spot fine of $1,000, or you may have to go to court and face a fine of over $14,000 or one year imprisonment.

This penalty is doubled if you are inside or within 20 metres of a pub, club or bar.
From 1 January 2011

If you are under 18 you will no longer able to buy any type of knife, including kitchen knives or knives for school or work. To do so is against the law and you will face a $239 on the spot fine, or you could face court and a fine of over $1,400.

Anyone who knowingly sells a knife or other controlled weapon to a minor faces a fine of over $2,300.



Is this a fair law?

Just because young drunken hooligans use them for weapons
shouldn't deny other people from having one.
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Re: Swiss Army knife illegal in Victoria.
Reply #1 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:53pm
 
Banning alcohol would have been a more logical approach.
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Reply #2 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.
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Reply #3 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:55pm
 
Notice here:

www.police.vic.gov.au/retrievemedia.asp?media_id=108958&status=active


that a machete is on there too.


I wondered why Bunnings & Masters doesn't stock them.


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Reply #4 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:
They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.



Then it's ambiguous -

what's a lawful excuse?

" I always have one on my key ring "
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Reply #5 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
Steampipe wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:53pm:
Banning alcohol would have been a more logical approach.



Yes - when ever you hear about knife crime it's always some drunken thug who's done it.
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Reply #6 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:01pm
 
Notice that a fishing knife is on there too.

Therefore you can't go fishing anymore
because you'd have to carry a fishing knife -

how do you cut the fishing line or cut & scale the fish?

Spear guns are out -  so forget spear fishing too.
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Reply #7 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:05pm
 
Kitchen knives are out -

so how do you get one from the supermarket to your kitchen without getting one year's jail & a $14,000 fine?

These new laws are ridiculous.
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Reply #8 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:06pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:
They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.



Then it's ambiguous -

what's a lawful excuse?

" I always have one on my key ring "


A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation.

Quote:
Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes:

the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity;
participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or
the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons.

It does not include self-defence.


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Reply #9 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:08pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:
They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.



Then it's ambiguous -

what's a lawful excuse?

" I always have one on my key ring "


A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation.

Quote:
Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes:

the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity;
participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or
the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons.

It does not include self-defence.





So you buy a kitchen knife in the supermarket -

how do you get it home without fear of jail?
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Reply #10 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:13pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:08pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 3:06pm:
Bobby. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:57pm:
Kytro wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 2:54pm:
They are not "illegal".

You just need a reason for having one.



Then it's ambiguous -

what's a lawful excuse?

" I always have one on my key ring "


A lawful excuse is defined by the legislation.

Quote:
Section 72 of the Criminal Procedure Act 2009 makes it clear that it is a defence to show on the balance of probabilities that you possess a weapon with a lawful excuse. Section 6 of the Control of Weapons Act indicates that the definition of “lawful excuse” includes:

the pursuit of any lawful employment, duty or activity;
participation in any lawful sport, recreation or entertainment; or
the legitimate collection, display or exhibition of weapons.

It does not include self-defence.





So you buy a kitchen knife in the supermarket -

how do you get it home without fear of jail?


By taking it home. Cooking is a lawful activity, you are taking the knife home to use for food prep. Lawful
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Reply #11 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:07pm
 
I see that multi-tools are not banned yet they are just an American version of a Swiss Army Knife, and even somewhat bigger. Are they banning it because the name has Knife included in it?
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Reply #12 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:23pm
 
There is something missing in all this.  It makes no sense.
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Reply #13 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:48pm
 
We've had this idiocy in NSW for years.

My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem.

A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool.

I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems.
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Reply #14 - Nov 3rd, 2015 at 5:27pm
 
Kat wrote on Nov 3rd, 2015 at 4:48pm:
We've had this idiocy in NSW for years.

My brother worked as a builder's labourer til he retired, and always carried a Stanley knife and a Leatherman tool on hid belt - no problem.

A mate who at the time was an out of work builder's labourer, got busted and charged, and forfeited his $100+ Leatherman tool.

I regularly carry a (VERY small) Swiss army knife in my bike toolbox - no problems.


Its not that crazy Kat, if you are going fishing and have a fishing knife with you then there wont be a problem, if you go down to the pub and take a fishing knife with you then the police have legal means to remove you or the knife from the premises. It is illegal to carry a shotgun around the shopping mall but its legal to take one out to the shooting range, you can legally drive down the road but you cant drive your car around the playground at the park. You just need to understand what the law means.
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