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Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson
Reply #15 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:32am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25pm:

Some people are not ready to talk openly about it until they reach middle age.

They bury it in the back of heir mind, then when the family has left the nest and they're not so busy with life matters, it starts to play on their mind.

They want it settled before they pass over.

So my ex-friend, the highly placed person in NSW's sister, who claims she was raped by a close relative who committed suicide, all taking place many years ago .... is not simply schizophrenic?

Her family tend to differ..... and they have my utmost sympathy.

Much as I tend to lean towards compassion for the truly abused - we simply cannot permit the rule of Law to be thrown out the window to suit the emotions of some, or to satisfy the baying of the wolves outside, who claim to be supporting the victim when they do not genuinely know who the real victim is.

I have a schizophrenic sister who has all her life heard, seen and imagined things that never happened. I wouldn't believe her if she told me it was Tuesday.

Longweekend58 said he has too.

It seems you have much in common, no?

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andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85001 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson Reply #16 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:35am mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:47am: I think he-man has a point. A pointed comment but no point........
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Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson
Reply #17 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:41am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:49am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:36pm:

Many people, Grasshopper, can believe a thing true or false, when only told so by another. It is for you to determine what is real and what is not, but always remain aware that the truth of one is not necessarily the truth of another.....

Friends, it hurts the old Duke of Brisbane Town hisself, yer old friend Billy Jack, the BJ Supremo, to hear them purveyors of past memories staking a claim to the right to stake a stake in the heart of a good ol' god-fearin' boy there. Them people what have them memory lapses for forty years.. well.. what can you say, friends? Well - they wasn't there for forty years, and now they is - but I'd have to say they just isn't there aye tall! Now if'n our old frien' Longy were here, god bless his little britches, he'd tell us simple folk that was dang nigh impossible.. an' mathematically, too!

This kinda thing jest makes ol' BJ sick, friends, to see them fine folk gettin' shafted by them leeching gold hunters.

Ah's jest jokin' friends - ah ain't no Billy Jack - he's a thousan' miles off, that boy.

Have you ever considered the concept of writing clearly and to the point?

I do - but it requires knowledge, intellect, humour and an all-encompassing humanity to follow it.

Dutch lady friend said she had to use a dictionary with me - I just think I'm using everyday words... just a social difference between us that some might call a class difference... though I would not.

Just is - is all.... and I thought I did a very good Billy Jack imitation....

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Reply #18 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:00pm

If you have committed a heinous crime and it is forty years old. I don't care whether you're the King of the freaking world. If solid evidence is there, sufficient for a Prima Facie case against you.

Then you should be charged and due process should occur.

Why should not victims have their day on historical cases.

Nothing is more pertinent than the Rolf Harris case. A tall poppy and the victims too frightened to speak out until one, did and it gave others the encouragement to speak out.

And of course Harris was found guilty by a jury of his peers of being A PERVERT EXTRAORDINAIRE. He got away with it, almost forever...but not bloody quite.

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Reply #19 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:06pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25pm:

Some people are not ready to talk openly about it until they reach middle age.

They bury it in the back of heir mind, then when the family has left the nest and they're not so busy with life matters, it starts to play on their mind.

They want it settled before they pass over.

So my ex-friend, the highly placed person in NSW's sister, who claims she was raped by a close relative who committed suicide, all taking place many years ago .... is not simply schizophrenic?

Her family tend to differ..... and they have my utmost sympathy.

Much as I tend to lean towards compassion for the truly abused - we simply cannot permit the rule of Law to be thrown out the window to suit the emotions of some, or to satisfy the baying of the wolves outside, who claim to be supporting the victim when they do not genuinely know who the real victim is.

I have a schizophrenic sister who has all her life heard, seen and imagined things that never happened. I wouldn't believe her if she told me it was Tuesday.

Longweekend58 said he has too.

It seems you have much in common, no?

As did Grappler. Is he also this mysterious longweekend58? Given the prevalence of schizophrenia, there are probably other posters here with family members with this disease.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85001 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson Reply #20 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:09pm Never been anyone but myself here and only ever had one account, as Freediver and the rest can testify. Can't be bothered playing silly games like trying to put one over.
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Reply #21 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:13pm

red baron wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

If you have committed a heinous crime and it is forty years old. I don't care whether you're the King of the freaking world. If solid evidence is there, sufficient for a Prima Facie case against you.

Then you should be charged and due process should occur.

Why should not victims have their day on historical cases.

Nothing is more pertinent than the Rolf Harris case. A tall poppy and the victims too frightened to speak out until one, did and it gave others the encouragement to speak out.

And of course Harris was found guilty by a jury of his peers of being A PERVERT EXTRAORDINAIRE. He got away with it, almost forever...but not bloody quite.

Yes - evidence may generate a Prima Facie case, but that evidence needs to be properly supported and considered under the rules of Law.

Someone simply saying something is not proof positive - it is an assertion - not a proven fact. You know that Red - for far too long the NSW Police and others got away with making assertions against people without adequate proof and getting away with it. This has caused a huge amount of cost to many, often hatred of said police force, and a brooding hostility between police, courts and public, which is now coming to the fore with all the chicanery of elected governments.

That is oppression and tyranny - not Law.

All of these factors are heading us towards either a truly enlightened government or perhaps even a civil war, and I can only say that at least MOST police these days are becoming more aware of the true place in the community, though there are still bricks, burnouts, and head cases out there.... especially in the middle of the night.

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Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson
Reply #22 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:28pm

red baron wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:00pm:

If you have committed a heinous crime and it is forty years old. I don't care whether you're the King of the freaking world. If solid evidence is there, sufficient for a Prima Facie case against you.

Then you should be charged and due process should occur.

Why should not victims have their day on historical cases.

Nothing is more pertinent than the Rolf Harris case. A tall poppy and the victims too frightened to speak out until one, did and it gave others the encouragement to speak out.

And of course Harris was found guilty by a jury of his peers of being A PERVERT EXTRAORDINAIRE. He got away with it, almost forever...but not bloody quite.

Did you look at the evidence? It is nothing more than her CLAIM. That is all. How does a young girls spurious claim backed by no evidence become a compelling case? And did you see the transparent nonsense about a full-size naked poster of the man?

Comments like yours are what remind us of why cops aren't brain surgeons. The man's innocence is not proven, but his guilt is likewise NOT proven.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson Reply #23 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm mariacostel...Harris was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of all charges. There is nothing to debate here, nothing at all. PS Did he appeal the verdict maria?, No.. because there was nothing to appeal against. CASE CLOSED
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Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson
Reply #24 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:05pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:49am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:36pm:

Many people, Grasshopper, can believe a thing true or false, when only told so by another. It is for you to determine what is real and what is not, but always remain aware that the truth of one is not necessarily the truth of another.....

Friends, it hurts the old Duke of Brisbane Town hisself, yer old friend Billy Jack, the BJ Supremo, to hear them purveyors of past memories staking a claim to the right to stake a stake in the heart of a good ol' god-fearin' boy there. Them people what have them memory lapses for forty years.. well.. what can you say, friends? Well - they wasn't there for forty years, and now they is - but I'd have to say they just isn't there aye tall! Now if'n our old frien' Longy were here, god bless his little britches, he'd tell us simple folk that was dang nigh impossible.. an' mathematically, too!

This kinda thing jest makes ol' BJ sick, friends, to see them fine folk gettin' shafted by them leeching gold hunters.

Ah's jest jokin' friends - ah ain't no Billy Jack - he's a thousan' miles off, that boy.

Have you ever considered the concept of writing clearly and to the point?

Maybe you could challenge Grappler to a writing competition.

You’re that good, dear.

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Reply #25 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:07pm

red baron wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

mariacostel...Harris was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of all charges.

There is nothing to debate here, nothing at all.

PS Did he appeal the verdict maria?, No.. because there was nothing to appeal against.

CASE CLOSED

Who is talking about Harris, you twit! This is about the case in the OP. Go back to searching for FEMA death camps if you can't stay on topic.

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Reply #26 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:43pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:32pm:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 10:07pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2015 at 7:25pm:

Some people are not ready to talk openly about it until they reach middle age.

They bury it in the back of heir mind, then when the family has left the nest and they're not so busy with life matters, it starts to play on their mind.

They want it settled before they pass over.

So my ex-friend, the highly placed person in NSW's sister, who claims she was raped by a close relative who committed suicide, all taking place many years ago .... is not simply schizophrenic?

Her family tend to differ..... and they have my utmost sympathy.

Much as I tend to lean towards compassion for the truly abused - we simply cannot permit the rule of Law to be thrown out the window to suit the emotions of some, or to satisfy the baying of the wolves outside, who claim to be supporting the victim when they do not genuinely know who the real victim is.

I have a schizophrenic sister who has all her life heard, seen and imagined things that never happened. I wouldn't believe her if she told me it was Tuesday.

dear oh dear..maybe you havent read of late how many carers /taxi drivers of the disabled have been charged with sexual assault of their passengers.. the very people who were trusted with them..

I can only guess like your sister these disabled people were never believed or even heard for that matter.. Angry

why would you believe someone disabled... Roll Eyes

against someone whom the community hold in High Esteem... Roll Eyes

I mean.. lets b e honest here....

why bother with unsolved MURDERS..40 years on...

whats the point...the murderer has probably gone on to redeem themselves... Roll Eyes

put it down to time erases all things......unless your the victim of course.

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Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson
Reply #27 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:47pm

red baron wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

mariacostel...Harris was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of all charges.

There is nothing to debate here, nothing at all.

PS Did he appeal the verdict maria?, No.. because there was nothing to appeal against.

CASE CLOSED

I agree with RB Harris was in a position of great trust it was almost 40 years later when it became public....it has everything to do with this... its the same thing...

touching feeling teaching very young children... its all wrong..

if we ignore pretend it doesnt matter then we are aiding and abetting todays paedos..

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96232 Gender:	Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson Reply #28 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:51pm I blame Islam. Touch them. Feel them. Teach them.
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Re: Alleged child abuse - Wilson
Reply #29 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:55pm

cods wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:47pm:

red baron wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:36pm:

mariacostel...Harris was tried by a jury of his peers and found guilty of all charges.

There is nothing to debate here, nothing at all.

PS Did he appeal the verdict maria?, No.. because there was nothing to appeal against.

CASE CLOSED

I agree with RB Harris was in a position of great trust it was almost 40 years later when it became public....it has everything to do with this... its the same thing...

touching feeling teaching very young children... its all wrong..

if we ignore pretend it doesnt matter then we are aiding and abetting todays paedos..

I reckon you have misunderstood the point. No-one is defending or cheerleading paedophiles. You often mistake an objective comment about these issues as being supportive of paedos. No, cods.

The point is...how would you, or anyone, like to be faced with this sort of allegation made decades after the relevant alleged event, and all you have to offer is a bland but honest denial, and no option but to attack the credibility of the accuser?

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