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Reply #15 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:50am
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:39am:
Politics of Envy? that when concessions and loopholes are taken into place, poor people pay more tax than the rich on percentage?


No, that's your politics of delusion.... Grin

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:39am:
Yes I'm envious, I'm envious that Australias landed wealth oligarchy has held this country back for decades and is kicking everyone else down.


"Landed Wealth Oligarchy"?  Is that another term for Unions?  If so, I agree with you.  Cheesy

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:39am:
Class warfare, is exactly what it is. Its funny whenever infrastructure needs to be built or hospital funding increased, you reactionary scum cry "class warfare" but whenever it really happens, the kicking down of the population by the landed oligarchs with their immense political and social power, its "politics of envy"


That's 'Mister'..... "Reactionary Scum" to you.... Grin

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:39am:
Well guess what bucko, in 50 years when Australia is relegated to a global backwater, climate change has destabilized the earth and millions are out of work due to automation, that "politics of envy" is going to have people like you lined up against a wall.


Hmm, I'll look forward to that in 50 years.  Would beat the hell out of palliative care.  Grin
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Reply #16 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:52am
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:40am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:35am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:27am:
So raise GST and cut company and top tax brackets?
And people thought Turnbull was a progressive lefty  Grin

Class warfare is back to normal.


Get over it, Vladimir. The rest of the world has moved on past 1917.


And the rest of the world moved passed 1934. But it doesn't stop a reactionary fascist piece of filth like yourself posting here does it?


And the resident communist shows his true colours - a hammer and sickle on a red background.

You are an unpleasant person, but then again you are a communist so that is part of the deal, isn't it?
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Reply #17 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:55am
 
Yeah, I'm the unpleasent person for caring about the plight of my fellow man, while you look at anyone below you as subhuman. How many countless times have you made fun of people here for their jobs? I've seen it hundreds.

You are absolute reactionary fascist trash Maria.
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Reply #18 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:06am
 
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        Raising the GST won't put a rocket under the economy - it would nuke it. It would mean even lower retail sales, with subsequent job losses and business closures. If you want to stimulate the economy - CUT the GST to 5%   

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        November 03, 2015, 4:26PM

        To compare the issue of raising GST rate from 10% to 15%, one needs to consider the following:

        - Singapore, a successful economy with no natural resources like Australia, has a 7% GST.

        - In OECD group, Australia's social expenditure is made up of:
        - 4.8% income support for working age population
        - 3.6% for pension,
        - 6.1% for health, and
        - 3.5% for all social services excluding health.
        18.1% total (including rounding error) of GDP.

        It is below the OECD average of 21.4%
        (source:
        http://www.oecd.org/els/soc/OECD2014-Social-Expenditure-Update-Nov2014-8pages.pdf).

        This means Australia is far from being a welfare dependent country as some politicians imply.

        But now they already in the process of paving the way for raising GST rate by 50%. I'd suggest it's a lazy and unimaginative way of tackling Australia's long term budgetary position. For example, the inequalities of other policies such as the negative gearing, car novated lease and super tax concession and.

        In a nutshell, negative gearing effectively subsidies negative geared property investors through tax system while greatly disadvantages prospective home buyers, especially first home buyers. As for the argument of higher rental costs of accommodation, facts do not support this argument.

        We will soon have no local car manufacturer, what is then the point of car novated leases? What about the rich transferring income to lower-tax super and promptly retire overseas?

        On a different angle, what about a strategic plan to help build sustainable exports of Australian goods and services, other than in the ground, to the increasing affluent Asians around us to earn a reasonable standard of living in the decades to come?

        All they want to concentrate on is raising GST.

        The real question is why these well-paid politicians simply want to take the easy way out?

        We deserve much better politicians. Not lazy bums.

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        November 03, 2015, 6:30PM



Crooky, the article is a bit misleading. The welfare figures don't appear to include things like child care subsidies, private health rebates, family tax benefits etc. These are certain welfare items. We are very much a welfare nation.
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Reply #19 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:09am
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:55am:
Yeah, I'm the unpleasent person for caring about the plight of my fellow man, while you look at anyone below you as subhuman. How many countless times have you made fun of people here for their jobs? I've seen it hundreds.

You are absolute reactionary fascist trash Maria.



What jobs?  LOL

You don't care at all. You have a political ideology to fulfil - communism. Wow that only killed about 100million people outside of war.

Communism is a failed idea, Vladimir. You are 100 years too late to be relevant. But at least you can still be rude and disgusting!
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Reply #20 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:35am
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:09am:
What jobs?  LOL


Go **** yourself.

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You don't care at all. You have a political ideology to fulfil - communism. Wow that only killed about 100million people outside of war.

Communism is a failed idea, Vladimir. You are 100 years too late to be relevant.


Have fun with your little fallacy rant?

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But at least you can still be rude and disgusting!


I'm not the fascist who ranks people as subhuman based on their class and race.

I don't care if I'm rude and disgusting to you Maria, because you are legitimately a failure as a human being and a good example of everything that is wrong with society.

Selfish, pretentious, racist, classist, sexist, anti-intellectual.

Classic outright reactionary. How about you go protest a mosque somewhere? Oh right because whenever you idiots turn up you are sent running with your tail between your legs by AntiFa.
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Reply #21 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:50am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:32am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:16am:
Raising the GST won't put a rocket under the economy - it would nuke it. It would mean even lower retail sales, with subsequent job losses and business closures. If you want to stimulate the economy - CUT the GST to 5%   


That.

And increase the dole to equal the pension rate.

Actually, increase the pension rate as well, now that's still not even a rocket.

I'm sure 90% of that money would flow back into the economy.

There's no point in forcibly increasing the cost of living, that will have the opposite effect and cause small businesses to close.



everyone of your selfish suggestions involves borrowing money to prop up the lifestyles of the over indulged pensioners and welfare recipients.


Firstly, boosting NewStart and pensions will boost the economy and a fair bit of the increase will come back as tax. 

And no need to borrow money to boost NS/pensions. Just cut into Howard’s profligacy STILL in the Budget! $50Bn superannuation tax exemptions. This is rapidly growing. Plenty of other tax expenditures to be cut, FBT to be tightened and major companies made to pay tax on their Australian earnings, if necessary by deeming EBIT and company tax due unless a better way is found (sometime next millennium  Wink)

Applying the GST to private school fees good and apply to health insurance but only after overhauling that—Howard left it in a mess.

I know who is overindulged and it isn’t pensioners and the unemployed.
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Reply #22 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:04am
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:52am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:40am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:35am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:27am:
So raise GST and cut company and top tax brackets?
And people thought Turnbull was a progressive lefty  Grin

Class warfare is back to normal.


Get over it, Vladimir. The rest of the world has moved on past 1917.


And the rest of the world moved passed 1934. But it doesn't stop a reactionary fascist piece of filth like yourself posting here does it?


And the resident communist shows his true colours - a hammer and sickle on a red background.

You are an unpleasant person, but then again you are a communist so that is part of the deal, isn't it?


You wouldn't know a communist if it was humping you.
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Reply #23 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:07am
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:20am:
The article had its good moments but count resist the left-wing influence of wanting PRIVATE health insurance taxed and PRIVATE schools taxed. Heaven forbid that Public schools and Public health services should be taxed as well!

Bring on the next election and a 15% GST.


geez you're an idiot ... go ahead, tax public schools. I doubt a single public school or hospitals makes any sort of taxable profit.  That's not what they are there for.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #24 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:08am
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:32am:
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:16am:
Raising the GST won't put a rocket under the economy - it would nuke it. It would mean even lower retail sales, with subsequent job losses and business closures. If you want to stimulate the economy - CUT the GST to 5%   


That.

And increase the dole to equal the pension rate.

Actually, increase the pension rate as well, now that's still not even a rocket.

I'm sure 90% of that money would flow back into the economy.

There's no point in forcibly increasing the cost of living, that will have the opposite effect and cause small businesses to close.



everyone of
your selfish suggestions
involves borrowing money to prop up the lifestyles of the over indulged pensioners and welfare recipients.

every cent given to this "me me me ' generation who have failed australia ( developed no new industries except the negative neurotic whinging industry) , will have to be paid back by their children and grand children .

the definition of inter generational theft.

BOTR and i hope the younger generation reflect on this truly awful selfish pensioner generation and strip their gold standard benefits back to bread and water, because this is truly all they deserve after ripping off the system for the last 30 years  Angry Angry Angry


Not selfish.

Sensible.

And reasonable.
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Reply #25 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:09am
 
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:35am:
I don't care if I'm rude and disgusting to you Maria, because you are legitimately a failure as a human being and a good example of everything that is wrong with society.

Selfish, pretentious, racist, classist, sexist, anti-intellectual.

Classic outright reactionary. How about you go protest a mosque somewhere? Oh right because whenever you idiots turn up you are sent running with your tail between your legs by AntiFa.


I see you've got Maria worked out already ... didn't take you long!
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Reply #26 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:09am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:07am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 7:20am:
The article had its good moments but count resist the left-wing influence of wanting PRIVATE health insurance taxed and PRIVATE schools taxed. Heaven forbid that Public schools and Public health services should be taxed as well!

Bring on the next election and a 15% GST.


geez you're an idiot ... go ahead, tax public schools. I doubt a single public school or hospitals makes any sort of taxable profit.  That's not what they are there for.

Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Definitely not the sharpest drill in the toolbox, that's for sure.
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Reply #27 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:51am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:09am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:35am:
I don't care if I'm rude and disgusting to you Maria, because you are legitimately a failure as a human being and a good example of everything that is wrong with society.

Selfish, pretentious, racist, classist, sexist, anti-intellectual.

Classic outright reactionary. How about you go protest a mosque somewhere? Oh right because whenever you idiots turn up you are sent running with your tail between your legs by AntiFa.


I see you've got Maria worked out already ... didn't take you long!



aquascoot is a classic....he comes down hard on the pensioners and their measly benefits, but never a bad word for the banksters who squeeze people dry to get their $5 billion profit or the big end of town that pay NO tax.
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Reply #28 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:12am
 
Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:51am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:09am:
Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:35am:
I don't care if I'm rude and disgusting to you Maria, because you are legitimately a failure as a human being and a good example of everything that is wrong with society.

Selfish, pretentious, racist, classist, sexist, anti-intellectual.

Classic outright reactionary. How about you go protest a mosque somewhere? Oh right because whenever you idiots turn up you are sent running with your tail between your legs by AntiFa.


I see you've got Maria worked out already ... didn't take you long!



aquascoot is a classic....he comes down hard on the pensioners and their measly benefits, but never a bad word for the banksters who squeeze people dry to get their $5 billion profit or the big end of town that pay NO tax.


Scoot understands how an "ecosystem" works.

sure our banks are successful

GREAT

look after them, dont disturb them
Dont destroy what you can enjoy.

THEY can expand into asia and provide billions of dollars of revenue . The asians are going to love our world class banks. 100's of 1000s of aussie kids can work in them

WHY DO LEFTIES HATE SUCCESS.



lefties are so stooopid.

Its like they would look at a prize bull earning $10,000 a service and say
"he's got it too good, just rooting cows all day and making money, lets cut him up for hamburger"
Thats the mentality
Its up to rightards with common sense, such as myself, to save you from yourselves.

We will be leaving our banks alone, thank you very much  Wink Wink.
If labor and the greens see them as a cash cow thats reason enough to know we shouldnt touch them
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Reply #29 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:22am
 
Yeah, funny how the banks are so successful. Look at all their fees, look at the interest rate on credit cards and personal loans, ten times and five times the cash rate and that does not take into account the fact the banks charge compound interest.

The banks also hold the country back by not being willing to lend money on a business idea, only on real estate. That is why so many inventions have been developed and marketed overseas.

The banks are a bull that might earn $1000 a day but costs $2000 a day.
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