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Reply #30 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:30am

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____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

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____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

A majority of Liberal voters, among a total of 18,000 Australian surveyed over five years, supported the idea that climate change was naturally occurring

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

Do you believe an massive asteroid smashing into the antarctic or mexico could be an mass extinction trigger.

If yes.
Would that mean a mass extinction couldn't occur without one.

The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs occurred about 35 million years before the last ice age. Believe me, the two aren't even remotely related.

My point is asteroids can cause mass extinctions. Yet mass extinctions can occur without an asteroid triggering it.

When denialists look at the pre industrialised human past for proof humans caused climate change, then they are not looking at the whole picture.

Now. If we had a full out human caused nuclear war. Every weapon used. Would humans change the global climate?

Would humans cause a mass extinction?

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Reply #31 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:47am

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

A majority of Liberal voters, among a total of 18,000 Australian surveyed over five years, supported the idea that climate change was naturally occurring

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

Do you believe an massive asteroid smashing into the antarctic or mexico could be an mass extinction trigger.

If yes.
Would that mean a mass extinction couldn't occur without one.

The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs occurred about 35 million years before the last ice age. Believe me, the two aren't even remotely related.

My point is asteroids can cause mass extinctions. Yet mass extinctions can occur without an asteroid triggering it.

When denialists look at the pre industrialised human past for proof humans caused climate change, then they are not looking at the whole picture.

Now. If we had a full out human caused nuclear war. Every weapon used. Would humans change the global climate?

Would humans cause a mass extinction?

No, you're saying that if humans don't cause climate change, it must only be something catastrophic like an asteroid. The truth is that the climate changes naturally and doesn't require people or asteroids for that to occur.

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Reply #32 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:58am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:30am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:18am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

A majority of Liberal voters, among a total of 18,000 Australian surveyed over five years, supported the idea that climate change was naturally occurring

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

Do you believe an massive asteroid smashing into the antarctic or mexico could be an mass extinction trigger.

If yes.
Would that mean a mass extinction couldn't occur without one.

The asteroid that wiped out the dinosaurs occurred about 35 million years before the last ice age. Believe me, the two aren't even remotely related.

My point is asteroids can cause mass extinctions. Yet mass extinctions can occur without an asteroid triggering it.

When denialists look at the pre industrialised human past for proof humans caused climate change, then they are not looking at the whole picture.

Now. If we had a full out human caused nuclear war. Every weapon used. Would humans change the global climate?

Would humans cause a mass extinction?

No, you're saying that if humans don't cause climate change, it must only be something catastrophic like an asteroid. The truth is that the climate changes naturally and doesn't require people or asteroids for that to occur.

Pre industrialised humans were likely, not powerful enough.

Now back to the question. Would a full out human caused nuclear war change the global climate and cause a mass extinction.

Are humans powerful enough now to change the global climate?

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Reply #34 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:15am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

My intuition is that climate change is real.

My intuition is that there is nothing that can be done at a political level.

My intuition is that we just need to prepare to live in a "changed" planet.

Not a problem,

as a student of self development, change is seen as a goal to strive for, chaos is to be embraced.
There will be winners and losers.

just understand that reality and prepare for it like a good boy scout .

Dont make a little cry baby movie about it getting hotter and drier, put in the effort to adapt.

The default position of every species that doesnt adapt is failure.

If any country should welcome climate change it is australia as we have so many natural resources.
Chinese students visiting my place couldnt believe i have a river you can see the bottom of and drink the water out of.

Truly a blessing and with climate change , it will only become more valuable.

we can become the food bowl of a barren wasteland in asia and europe and be like the saudis with our rich resources of unspoilt water and land.

Bring it on Wink

My intuition is that we just need to prepare to live in a "changed" planet.

A planet whose food supply can support a few Billion less people will be no fun for those people who do not survive.

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Reply #35 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:17am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:21am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:17am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:08am:

Show me top 10 carbon emission sources

Then break it down in percentage terms how much each source contribute

Maqqa, may I introduce you to a search engine.

https://www.google.com.au/

Don't be so efing lazy.

Looked for it many years and still can't find it

So please show everyone the table I've asked for

When are you going back to Manly ?

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Reply #36 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:17am

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

No one is saying the climate hasn't changed in the past without human intervention. They are saying that this time it appears not to be the case based on all available evidence.

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Reply #37 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:21am

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

A majority of Liberal voters, among a total of 18,000 Australian surveyed over five years, supported the idea that climate change was naturally occurring

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

Do you believe an massive asteroid smashing into the antarctic or mexico could be an mass extinction trigger.

If yes.
Would that mean a mass extinction couldn't occur without one.

What's that got to do with my question? Huh

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Reply #38 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:25am

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

A majority of Liberal voters, among a total of 18,000 Australian surveyed over five years, supported the idea that climate change was naturally occurring

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

Do you believe an massive asteroid smashing into the antarctic or mexico could be an mass extinction trigger.

If yes.
Would that mean a mass extinction couldn't occur without one.

What's that got to do with my question? Huh

What Kytro said.

The current and rapid change occurring now is different to previous times because of a new factor. Industrialised human behaviour.

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Reply #39 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:37am

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

No one is saying the climate hasn't changed in the past without human intervention. They are saying that this time it appears not to be the case based on all available evidence.

The CSIRO is......

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The CSIRO study found only 28 per cent of Liberal voters believe human activity is responsible for climate change, compared to 58 per cent of Labor voters.

Q -> "Do you believe that human activity is responsible for climate change?" If I was a Liberal Voter I would have voted NO as well.

Human activity is not responsible for climate change. Climate change is natural. The climate will change whether humans exist or not.

Re-phrase the question....

Q "Does human activity have an impact on climate change." If I was a Liberal voter I would have voted YES.

Everything has an impact on climate.

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Reply #41 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:46am

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

____ wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:05am:

A majority of Liberal voters, among a total of 18,000 Australian surveyed over five years, supported the idea that climate change was naturally occurring

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

Do you believe an massive asteroid smashing into the antarctic or mexico could be an mass extinction trigger.

If yes.
Would that mean a mass extinction couldn't occur without one.

What's that got to do with my question? Huh

What Kytro said.

The current and rapid change occurring now is different to previous times because of a new factor. Industrialised human behaviour.

Ok, let me interpret, Human activity is akin to a massive asteroid in so much as having an impact on climate because a massive asteroid can effect climate. Huh

The current rapid change being blamed on increased Co2 concentrations and that human activity is the suspect of perpetrating the increased Co2 concentrations? There is a correlation between warming and Co2 concentrations? Is this correct? Undecided

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Reply #42 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:25am:

My intuition is that climate change is real.

My intuition is that there is nothing that can be done at a political level.

My intuition is that we just need to prepare to live in a "changed" planet.

Not a problem,

as a student of self development, change is seen as a goal to strive for, chaos is to be embraced.
There will be winners and losers.

just understand that reality and prepare for it like a good boy scout .

Dont make a little cry baby movie about it getting hotter and drier, put in the effort to adapt.

The default position of every species that doesnt adapt is failure.

If any country should welcome climate change it is australia as we have so many natural resources.
Chinese students visiting my place couldnt believe i have a river you can see the bottom of and drink the water out of.

Truly a blessing and with climate change , it will only become more valuable.

we can become the food bowl of a barren wasteland in asia and europe and be like the saudis with our rich resources of unspoilt water and land.

Bring it on Wink

My intuition is that we just need to prepare to live in a "changed" planet.

A planet whose food supply can support a few Billion less people will be no fun for those people who do not survive.

here on planet earth which i call "REALITY", this fact is just a universal law of nature.

the wells are running dry in rural india, they are having to dig them deeper and deeper and soon they will run out of water.(those wells not already poisoned with cyanide)

Have you seen emus lined up 10 deep along a fence ?all dropping dead from thirst.
its not a pretty sight.

part of our strategy with climate change should include the aim of reducing human population.
i think this is green policy as well and one of the few policies i agree with.

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Reply #43 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:50am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

he wells are running dry in rural india, they are having to dig them deeper and deeper and soon they will run out of water.

Overdrawing of aquifers, caused by more and more people, is not a climate problem.

'part of our strategy with climate change should include the aim of reducing human population.
i think this is green policy as well and one of the few policies i agree with.'

Harsh but overdrawn wells will achieve that.

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Reply #44 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:55am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:47am:

truth is that the climate changes naturally and doesn't require people or asteroids for that to occur.

That old furphy.

Climate changes when there are drivers for it, climate change does not just happen. The driver now is GHGs emitted from our factories, power stations and cars etc etc.

If you are a Lib and have no brain you STILL have to find a driver for the warming that has been happening for nearly 200 years. You cannot deny CO2/NH4 etc are greenhouse gases, that has been proved in the lab. So—what is the driver for the 200 years of warming?

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