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Reply #60 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:40pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:55am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:47am:
truth is that the climate changes naturally and doesn't require people or asteroids for that to occur.

That old furphy.

Climate changes when there are drivers for it, climate change does not just happen. The driver now is GHGs emitted from our factories, power stations and cars etc etc.

If you are a Lib and have no brain you STILL have to find a driver for the warming that has been happening for nearly 200 years. You cannot deny CO2/NH4 etc are greenhouse gases, that has been proved in the lab. So—what is the driver for the 200 years of warming?


You idiots are fixated on humans being the cause when it is entirely possible other factors could be the cause, for example the sun or changes to magma activity deep beneath the Earth's crust. There are any number of naturally occurring phenomena that could drive changes in our climate.

No.
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Reply #61 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:44pm
 
I love climate, I'm going to be sorry to see it gone when the idiot left finally gets rid of it through taxation and socialism  Cry

I'm going to miss stuff like this  Cry








Flooded drive through of the McDonalds at Port Lincoln
Posted about 5 hours ago

Tamara Barker took her kayak to McDonald's to grab some cheeseburgers.



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Reply #62 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:49pm
 
Warmer climate so more water content in the atmosphere so bigger rainfall and more and bigger floods. Just like your example.
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Reply #63 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:54pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:40pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:55am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:47am:
truth is that the climate changes naturally and doesn't require people or asteroids for that to occur.

That old furphy.

Climate changes when there are drivers for it, climate change does not just happen. The driver now is GHGs emitted from our factories, power stations and cars etc etc.

If you are a Lib and have no brain you STILL have to find a driver for the warming that has been happening for nearly 200 years. You cannot deny CO2/NH4 etc are greenhouse gases, that has been proved in the lab. So—what is the driver for the 200 years of warming?


You idiots are fixated on humans being the cause when it is entirely possible other factors could be the cause, for example the sun or changes to magma activity deep beneath the Earth's crust. There are any number of naturally occurring phenomena that could drive changes in our climate.

No.


You are in denial. No, not the river.
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Reply #64 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:59pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
There isn't any evidence of a hiatus in the temperature trend



'Box 9.2 | Climate Models and the Hiatus in Global Mean Surface Warming of the Past 15 Years
The observed global mean surface temperature (GMST) has shown a much smaller increasing linear trend over the past 15 years than
over the past 30 to 60 years (Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.20, Table 2.7; Figure 9.8; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). Depending on the observational
data set, the GMST trend over 1998–2012 is estimated to be around one-third to one-half of the trend over 1951–2012 (Section 2.4.3,
Table 2.7; Box 9.2 Figure 1a, c). For example, in HadCRUT4 the trend is 0.04oC per decade over 1998–2012, compared to 0.11oC per
decade over 1951–2012. The reduction in observed GMST trend is most marked in Northern Hemisphere winter (Section 2.4.3; Cohen
et al., 2012). Even with this “hiatus” in GMST trend, the decade of the 2000s has been the warmest in the instrumental record of GMST
(Section 2.4.3, Figure 2.19). Nevertheless, the occurrence of the hiatus in GMST trend during the past 15 years raises the two related
questions of what has caused it and whether climate models are able to reproduce it.'

https://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar5/wg1/WG1AR5_Chapter09_FINAL.pdf

Seems the IPCC disagree.
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Reply #65 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:04pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:49pm:
Warmer climate so more water content in the atmosphere so bigger rainfall and more and bigger floods. Just like your example.




Yes I know, thats why I said that is what I'm going to miss when you wonderful idiot left types fix the climate.
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Reply #66 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:04pm
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:54pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:40pm:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:55am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 9:47am:
truth is that the climate changes naturally and doesn't require people or asteroids for that to occur.

That old furphy.

Climate changes when there are drivers for it, climate change does not just happen. The driver now is GHGs emitted from our factories, power stations and cars etc etc.

If you are a Lib and have no brain you STILL have to find a driver for the warming that has been happening for nearly 200 years. You cannot deny CO2/NH4 etc are greenhouse gases, that has been proved in the lab. So—what is the driver for the 200 years of warming?


You idiots are fixated on humans being the cause when it is entirely possible other factors could be the cause, for example the sun or changes to magma activity deep beneath the Earth's crust. There are any number of naturally occurring phenomena that could drive changes in our climate.

No.


You are in denial. No, not the river.

Only an extremely foolish person of substandard intellect would say that the trillions of tons of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere have no effect. The core is not getting hotter nor is the sun.
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Reply #67 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:12pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:04pm:
Only an extremely foolish person of substandard intellect would say that the trillions of tons of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere have no effect..




You are right and it has had an effect ...


Satellites Show Carbon Dioxide Is Causing 'Global Greening'


Rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are bolstering plant life throughout the world, environmental scientists report in a newly published peer-reviewed study. The findings, published in Geophysical Research Letters, are gleaned from satellite measurements of global plant life, and contradict assertions by activists that global warming is causing deserts to expand, along with devastating droughts.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/07/10/global-warming-no-satellites-...
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Reply #68 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:22pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 1:13pm:
The view that CO2 is a lagging indicator has long been disproved.



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Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya -- 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

Temperature after C.R. Scotese http://www.scotese.com/climate.htm
CO2 after R.A. Berner, 2001 (GEOCARB III)
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Reply #69 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:23pm
 
Kytro wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 12:14pm:
Swagman wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:37am:
Kytro wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 10:17am:
Swagman wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 8:10am:
If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes


No one is saying the climate hasn't changed in the past without human intervention. They are saying that this time it appears not to be the case based on all available evidence.


The CSIRO is......

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The CSIRO study found only 28 per cent of Liberal voters believe human activity is responsible for climate change, compared to 58 per cent of Labor voters.


Q -> "Do you believe that human activity is responsible for climate change?"  If I was a Liberal Voter I would have voted NO as well.

Human activity is not responsible for climate change.  Climate change is natural.  The climate will change whether humans exist or not.

Re-phrase the question....

Q "Does human activity have an impact on climate change." If I was a Liberal voter I would have voted YES.

Everything has an impact on climate.


This is the actual study.

It does not ask: "Do you believe that human activity is responsible for climate change?"

It asks if you think about climate change with these answers:

Quote:
Survey respondents were asked to rate which of a series of statements best described their thoughts about
the causes of climate change (Figure 2). Just under half of respondents (45.9%) selected the statement
indicating climate change was largely caused by humans. A further 38.6% indicated they thought it was
happening, but just a natural fluctuation. Smaller proportions selected the option that it was not happening
at all (7.9%) and that they didn’t know (7.7%).









What is it with modern society that wants to run polls all the time, asking people their position on topics they are utterly out of their depth on? You might as well asked them if they believe in the existence of the Higgs Boson - as if it matters.

I don't care one iota about what the general public THINKS about climate change. I care a great deal about what they actually KNOW.  Perhaps there should be some followup questions to see if their opinion is based on some actual reasoning or understanding or simply parroting an opinion they heard somewhere or their political party espouses etc.
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Reply #70 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:26pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:04pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 2:49pm:
Warmer climate so more water content in the atmosphere so bigger rainfall and more and bigger floods. Just like your example.




Yes I know, thats why I said that is what I'm going to miss when you wonderful idiot left types fix the climate.

Well it is going to take like a thousand years after emissions are brought under control before the climate settles down so don’t worry. I think it is not just “lefties” want the climate issue brought under control. Govts too, apart from the shambles in power here, want to get emissions under control. I think the Chinese have seen the Himalayan glaciers  retreat and realised they had better do something about GHG emissions.
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Reply #71 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:31pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 1:30pm:
Greens please show us all a list of top 10 carbon emission sources and where humans rank on that list

Do they even make the top 10?


So, what's the story Maqqa, you got a full time job, at the Liberal Party, a while ago?

Now, your back to Part-time there & part time here, but still being paid to promote the Liberal Party?
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Reply #72 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:43pm
 
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:12pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:04pm:
Only an extremely foolish person of substandard intellect would say that the trillions of tons of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere have no effect..




You are right and it has had an effect ...


Satellites Show Carbon Dioxide Is Causing 'Global Greening'


Rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are bolstering plant life throughout the world, environmental scientists report in a newly published peer-reviewed study. The findings, published in Geophysical Research Letters, are gleaned from satellite measurements of global plant life, and contradict assertions by activists that global warming is causing deserts to expand, along with devastating droughts.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/07/10/global-warming-no-satellites-...

The extra moisture would help with that.

The “plant food” argument deniers run doesn’t have much validity tho. As it keeps warming plants first reduce their nitrogen intake and less nitrogen = less protein. As night time temperatures rise plants start absorbing less CO2.
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Reply #73 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:53pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:26pm:
I think the Chinese have seen the Himalayan glaciers  retreat and realised they had better do something about GHG emissions.



'At a conference on coal gasification in Colorado Springs on 12th October, the lead speaker was Dr Yong-Wang Li of Synfuels China. The third slide of his presentation contained this statement:

China has to find solutions to completely replace fossil fuels with new energy resources within about 100 years.'

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2015/11/02/involuntary-decarbonization/

Urgent action indeed.
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Reply #74 - Nov 4th, 2015 at 4:13pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:43pm:
innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:12pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4th, 2015 at 3:04pm:
Only an extremely foolish person of substandard intellect would say that the trillions of tons of CO2 pumped into the atmosphere have no effect..




You are right and it has had an effect ...


Satellites Show Carbon Dioxide Is Causing 'Global Greening'


Rising atmospheric carbon dioxide levels are bolstering plant life throughout the world, environmental scientists report in a newly published peer-reviewed study. The findings, published in Geophysical Research Letters, are gleaned from satellite measurements of global plant life, and contradict assertions by activists that global warming is causing deserts to expand, along with devastating droughts.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/07/10/global-warming-no-satellites-...

The extra moisture would help with that.

The “plant food” argument deniers run doesn’t have much validity tho. As it keeps warming plants first reduce their nitrogen intake and less nitrogen = less protein. As night time temperatures rise plants start absorbing less CO2.






The clowns at Unskepticalscience.com have taught you well brother, if I was running a climate change scare campaign though I would have included a few beneficial positive effects just to entice the less gullible instead of the current campaign that decrees 100% of all climate change is bad, this just invites even more skeptism as the logical thinkers amongst us realise that climate change can not possibly be all bad, there has to be some winners.
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