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Reply #75 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:21pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:43pm:

The “plant food” argument deniers run doesn’t have much validity tho. As it keeps warming plants first reduce their nitrogen intake and less nitrogen = less protein. As night time temperatures rise plants start absorbing less CO2.

You ever hear of legumes- they take their nitrogen from the air . So you eat more legumes.

Oh no; beanz meanz fartz. Grin

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Reply #76 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:31pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 1:30pm:

Greens please show us all a list of top 10 carbon emission sources and where humans rank on that list

Do they even make the top 10?

So, what's the story Maqqa, you got a full time job, at the Liberal Party, a while ago?

Now, your back to Part-time there & part time here, but still being paid to promote the Liberal Party?

hi PN

been working overseas

back for about 3 months then I am off again

how have you been

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Reply #77 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

What is it with modern society that wants to run polls all the time, asking people their position on topics they are utterly out of their depth on? You might as well asked them if they believe in the existence of the Higgs Boson - as if it matters.

I don't care one iota about what the general public THINKS about climate change. I care a great deal about what they actually KNOW. Perhaps there should be some followup questions to see if their opinion is based on some actual reasoning or understanding or simply parroting an opinion they heard somewhere or their political party espouses etc.

I'm not really sure, perhaps they are trying to gauge scientific communication.

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Reply #78 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:36pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

What is it with modern society that wants to run polls all the time, asking people their position on topics they are utterly out of their depth on? You might as well asked them if they believe in the existence of the Higgs Boson - as if it matters.

I don't care one iota about what the general public THINKS about climate change. I care a great deal about what they actually KNOW. Perhaps there should be some followup questions to see if their opinion is based on some actual reasoning or understanding or simply parroting an opinion they heard somewhere or their political party espouses etc.

I'm not really sure, perhaps they are trying to gauge scientific communication.

And how would that be working? Asking the unqualified some over-simplified questions and your results are what? Accurate measurement of an ignorant opinion?

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Reply #79 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:47pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

What is it with modern society that wants to run polls all the time, asking people their position on topics they are utterly out of their depth on? You might as well asked them if they believe in the existence of the Higgs Boson - as if it matters.

I don't care one iota about what the general public THINKS about climate change. I care a great deal about what they actually KNOW. Perhaps there should be some followup questions to see if their opinion is based on some actual reasoning or understanding or simply parroting an opinion they heard somewhere or their political party espouses etc.

I'm not really sure, perhaps they are trying to gauge scientific communication.

And how would that be working? Asking the unqualified some over-simplified questions and your results are what? Accurate measurement of an ignorant opinion?

You think the voting public are stupid cattle in the fields? You cheeky little elitist, you... (pinches your cheek affectionately)...

If Longy were here..... he'd use Ph.D level mathematics to show us the error of our ways.... he's that good!

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Reply #80 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:26am

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:39am:

Don't even bother engaging with them Greens. They are paid LNP astroturfers designed to derail debate.

Either way.

This does show a huge issue with the LNP, as much as people like to pretend Turnbull is a progressive the fact that 72% of Libs are in the pocket of big energy shows that have no intention ever of actually fighting climate change or moving into the green sector, the fastest growing industrial sector in the world.

What I find strange is this mass climate change denialism from these reactionaries seems to be quite unique to Anglo countries, Right wing Governments across Europe, Middle East, Asia etc are jumping on renewables. What makes Anglo countries unique in its mass denialism?

And you are paid by the Russian Embassy to derail threads.

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Reply #81 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:29am

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

No one is saying the climate hasn't changed in the past without human intervention. They are saying that this time it appears not to be the case based on all available evidence.

Actually, ALL the evidence suggests that we are experiencing nothing more than natural variation - and not much variation at that! It is .6 of a degree warmer than 50 years ago and still several degrees cooler than the MWP. There is no 'runaway'. there are no mass meltings, no massive sea rises, no ANYTHING. Very, very little has changed and none of it is even remotely unprecedented.

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Reply #82 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:32am

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:47am:

he wells are running dry in rural india, they are having to dig them deeper and deeper and soon they will run out of water.

Overdrawing of aquifers, caused by more and more people, is not a climate problem.

'part of our strategy with climate change should include the aim of reducing human population.
i think this is green policy as well and one of the few policies i agree with.'

Harsh but overdrawn wells will achieve that.

Don't be so sure. Canadian oil drillers tapped an enormous reservoir of fresh water over 4 miles down. The quantity of water is MORE THAN ALL THE FRESH WATER ON EARTH.

If it is one place, then it is in a lot more. Advanced Drilling techniques may actually solve the water problem world-wide.

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Reply #83 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:37am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

What is it with modern society that wants to run polls all the time, asking people their position on topics they are utterly out of their depth on? You might as well asked them if they believe in the existence of the Higgs Boson - as if it matters.

I don't care one iota about what the general public THINKS about climate change. I care a great deal about what they actually KNOW. Perhaps there should be some followup questions to see if their opinion is based on some actual reasoning or understanding or simply parroting an opinion they heard somewhere or their political party espouses etc.

I'm not really sure, perhaps they are trying to gauge scientific communication.

And how would that be working? Asking the unqualified some over-simplified questions and your results are what? Accurate measurement of an ignorant opinion?

You think the voting public are stupid cattle in the fields? You cheeky little elitist, you... (pinches your cheek affectionately)...

If Longy were here..... he'd use Ph.D level mathematics to show us the error of our ways.... he's that good!

As a rule, yes. If you were to ask the general public their opinion on faster-than-light neutrinos, how many of them could even given an informed opinion? 1% And of those 1% how many actually understand the nature of the science? 1%

It is the same with the climate change polls. The outcomes are interesting, but worthless.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17980 Gender:	Re: 72% Of Libs ~ Humans Are Not Responsible Reply #84 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:04pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:32am: Don't be so sure. Canadian oil drillers tapped an enormous reservoir of fresh water over 4 miles down. The quantity of water is MORE THAN ALL THE FRESH WATER ON EARTH. Did you mean that it is larger than the previously known "all the fresh water on earth"?
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Reply #85 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:58pm

lee wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:32am:

Don't be so sure. Canadian oil drillers tapped an enormous reservoir of fresh water over 4 miles down. The quantity of water is MORE THAN ALL THE FRESH WATER ON EARTH.

Did you mean that it is larger than the previously known "all the fresh water on earth"?

The quantity exceeds all the rivers lacks and surface fresh water on the planet. It was an amazing find and begs the question as to whether or not other such reservoirs exist and how to find them. 4kms down is a really long way!

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17980 Gender:	Re: 72% Of Libs ~ Humans Are Not Responsible Reply #86 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:04pm Yep, but by definition it must form part of all the water on earth, just a before unknown source and quantity.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: 72% Of Libs ~ Humans Are Not Responsible Reply #87 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:11pm lee wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:04pm: Yep, but by definition it must form part of all the water on earth, just a before unknown source and quantity. Since we are playing the pedantry game, remember I said ON earth, not underneath it. It is a pretty big distinction.
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Reply #88 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:53pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:29am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:17am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10am:

If climate change is not naturally occurring, how did the climate change before us ape descendants started burning fossil fuels? You know, the other 99.99% of the earth's history.... Roll Eyes

No one is saying the climate hasn't changed in the past without human intervention. They are saying that this time it appears not to be the case based on all available evidence.

Actually, ALL the evidence suggests that we are experiencing nothing more than natural variation - and not much variation at that! It is .6 of a degree warmer than 50 years ago and still several degrees cooler than the MWP. There is no 'runaway'. there are no mass meltings, no massive sea rises, no ANYTHING. Very, very little has changed and none of it is even remotely unprecedented.

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If the men don't go to war for her she sends the family a special type of flower, anonymously of course

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #89 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 4:57pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:47pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:28pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

What is it with modern society that wants to run polls all the time, asking people their position on topics they are utterly out of their depth on? You might as well asked them if they believe in the existence of the Higgs Boson - as if it matters.

I don't care one iota about what the general public THINKS about climate change. I care a great deal about what they actually KNOW. Perhaps there should be some followup questions to see if their opinion is based on some actual reasoning or understanding or simply parroting an opinion they heard somewhere or their political party espouses etc.

I'm not really sure, perhaps they are trying to gauge scientific communication.

And how would that be working? Asking the unqualified some over-simplified questions and your results are what? Accurate measurement of an ignorant opinion?

You think the voting public are stupid cattle in the fields? You cheeky little elitist, you... (pinches your cheek affectionately)...

If Longy were here..... he'd use Ph.D level mathematics to show us the error of our ways.... he's that good!

maria has never heard of specialisation of the workforce and thinks everyone is born into and stays in their caste: you get that smoking crack and drinking metho Cheesy

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*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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