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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #60 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:54pm

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

The reason people vote Liberal is largely because they've been trained that the Liberals are the "Default, stable" Government of Australia and Labor is the "Challenger, Chaotic" Government. All political narrative in Australian media really boils down to this. Labor have to PROVE they deserve Government beyond a doubt, or people will just hand it to the Liberals for no other reason than "Its stable".

Its why Labor are flogged so much harder in the media than the Liberals. Lets be honest here, it was getting to the point when Gillard was in Government where elements of the mainstream media were calling for her assassination and overthrow, but what in **** did Gillard do what was so bad? 1 misquoted carbon tax "lie"? Wow, I remember entire political forums and meetings just being filled with idiots going "Why did you lie, Juliar? Why did you lie?" In fact, at one point I was actually going to meet Julia Gillard to debate Australian drug policy during the last rounds of widespread drug debate in the media, but literally I was drowned out by "Juliar, carbon tax lie" idiots that took up all the time and thus she wasn't able to discuss with me issues around our drug policy (which I had actually spent months talking to doctors, scientists and journalists about researching for).

So Julia Gillard, one of the single most successful Prime Ministers in our country had calls for her murder from politicians and media, while Abbott got lets be honest "Oh Abbott, hes kind of stupid, oh well". WHAT THE ****?!? Imagine if Gillard did 10% of the stupid of Abbott and co? She would be 6 ft under right now. Look at the media blackout on NBN, 50 billion+ down the drain and not a single ABC report on it for over 2 years, they didn't even allow NBN questions on QandA to Turnbull. Get that!? The largest infrastructure project and disaster in Australian history, and ABC didn't allow questions on NBN, in fact when criticized, ABC wrote in an official letter that "the debate is settled on MTM being the superior technology" I s*** you not, in an official ABC letter.

Everyone with a brain knows that Labor has far superior policy to Liberals (what policy do the Liberals have that isn't utter s*** really?) but because Shorten isn't a literal paragon of just holiness, there is no way Labor can win the election because of the absolutely insane standards they are held too.

Nailed it.

The MSM have given the Liberals so much of an easier ride than Labor for years. If people were saying half the things about Turnbull that they said about Gillard, it would come as quite a shock to the Liberal nongs.

Turn BULL. Turn BULLSHIT.
Turnbull is a political assassin, responsible for assassinating two Liberal leaders.
Turnbull should be shot and buried at sea.

Exactly the same kind of things that were said about Gillard, recast for Turnbull. Now imagine three YEARS of this kind of unrelenting character assassination. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Of course, Labor are far more moral than the Liberals, which is why Labor are challenging the Liberals on POLICY and not with the personal attacks that are de rigueur for the Coalition.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #61 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:05pm

Bam wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

The reason people vote Liberal is largely because they've been trained that the Liberals are the "Default, stable" Government of Australia and Labor is the "Challenger, Chaotic" Government. All political narrative in Australian media really boils down to this. Labor have to PROVE they deserve Government beyond a doubt, or people will just hand it to the Liberals for no other reason than "Its stable".

Its why Labor are flogged so much harder in the media than the Liberals. Lets be honest here, it was getting to the point when Gillard was in Government where elements of the mainstream media were calling for her assassination and overthrow, but what in **** did Gillard do what was so bad? 1 misquoted carbon tax "lie"? Wow, I remember entire political forums and meetings just being filled with idiots going "Why did you lie, Juliar? Why did you lie?" In fact, at one point I was actually going to meet Julia Gillard to debate Australian drug policy during the last rounds of widespread drug debate in the media, but literally I was drowned out by "Juliar, carbon tax lie" idiots that took up all the time and thus she wasn't able to discuss with me issues around our drug policy (which I had actually spent months talking to doctors, scientists and journalists about researching for).

So Julia Gillard, one of the single most successful Prime Ministers in our country had calls for her murder from politicians and media, while Abbott got lets be honest "Oh Abbott, hes kind of stupid, oh well". WHAT THE ****?!? Imagine if Gillard did 10% of the stupid of Abbott and co? She would be 6 ft under right now. Look at the media blackout on NBN, 50 billion+ down the drain and not a single ABC report on it for over 2 years, they didn't even allow NBN questions on QandA to Turnbull. Get that!? The largest infrastructure project and disaster in Australian history, and ABC didn't allow questions on NBN, in fact when criticized, ABC wrote in an official letter that "the debate is settled on MTM being the superior technology" I s*** you not, in an official ABC letter.

Everyone with a brain knows that Labor has far superior policy to Liberals (what policy do the Liberals have that isn't utter s*** really?) but because Shorten isn't a literal paragon of just holiness, there is no way Labor can win the election because of the absolutely insane standards they are held too.

Nailed it.

The MSM have given the Liberals so much of an easier ride than Labor for years. If people were saying half the things about Turnbull that they said about Gillard, it would come as quite a shock to the Liberal nongs.

Turn BULL. Turn BULLSHIT.
Turnbull is a political assassin, responsible for assassinating two Liberal leaders.
Turnbull should be shot and buried at sea.

Exactly the same kind of things that were said about Gillard, recast for Turnbull. Now imagine three YEARS of this kind of unrelenting character assassination. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Of course, Labor are far more moral than the Liberals, which is why Labor are challenging the Liberals on POLICY and not with the personal attacks that are de rigueur for the Coalition.

Yep.

One of the most sensible posts I've seen for some time.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #62 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:16pm

The problem here is the morale high ground is a trap. People just expect the Liberals to be sociopathic assholes so when the Libs act like Sociopathic assholes, noone cares and their narrative gets through.

Labor goes on the attack and its "Cheap shots" or "low blow" from Labor.

People on this forum should remember, I'm not a Labor supporter, I actually dislike the Labor party and think they should be absolutely flogged on asylum seeker policy, data retention, lack of action on reforms flagged in the HTR, poor environmental record, internet censorship, absolute appauling politicking on the rights of Homosexuals and Transgendered people, the appalling support of School chaplain program (and Gillard pretending she was religious, how cringy Grin

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From an outsiders view in from someone who doesn't support Labor or Liberal, the media bias towards Liberals, EVEN FROM THE ABC is overwhelming.

The ABC when Gillard was in power was outright just copy-pasting stories from the Australian. It didn't even report on Gillards Misogyny speech until 2 days after it happened (and blew up on social media and international news) then they called it "Whinging". The ABC had a media blockout on NBN for 2 years once changed to MTM while attacking NBN at every opportunity when it was FTTP.

The Canberra Press Gallery has such a bias to the Liberal party its actually amazing people can claim otherwise.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #64 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:41pm

Bam wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 6:54pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

The reason people vote Liberal is largely because they've been trained that the Liberals are the "Default, stable" Government of Australia and Labor is the "Challenger, Chaotic" Government. All political narrative in Australian media really boils down to this. Labor have to PROVE they deserve Government beyond a doubt, or people will just hand it to the Liberals for no other reason than "Its stable".

Its why Labor are flogged so much harder in the media than the Liberals. Lets be honest here, it was getting to the point when Gillard was in Government where elements of the mainstream media were calling for her assassination and overthrow, but what in **** did Gillard do what was so bad? 1 misquoted carbon tax "lie"? Wow, I remember entire political forums and meetings just being filled with idiots going "Why did you lie, Juliar? Why did you lie?" In fact, at one point I was actually going to meet Julia Gillard to debate Australian drug policy during the last rounds of widespread drug debate in the media, but literally I was drowned out by "Juliar, carbon tax lie" idiots that took up all the time and thus she wasn't able to discuss with me issues around our drug policy (which I had actually spent months talking to doctors, scientists and journalists about researching for).

So Julia Gillard, one of the single most successful Prime Ministers in our country had calls for her murder from politicians and media, while Abbott got lets be honest "Oh Abbott, hes kind of stupid, oh well". WHAT THE ****?!? Imagine if Gillard did 10% of the stupid of Abbott and co? She would be 6 ft under right now. Look at the media blackout on NBN, 50 billion+ down the drain and not a single ABC report on it for over 2 years, they didn't even allow NBN questions on QandA to Turnbull. Get that!? The largest infrastructure project and disaster in Australian history, and ABC didn't allow questions on NBN, in fact when criticized, ABC wrote in an official letter that "the debate is settled on MTM being the superior technology" I s*** you not, in an official ABC letter.

Everyone with a brain knows that Labor has far superior policy to Liberals (what policy do the Liberals have that isn't utter s*** really?) but because Shorten isn't a literal paragon of just holiness, there is no way Labor can win the election because of the absolutely insane standards they are held too.

Nailed it.

The MSM have given the Liberals so much of an easier ride than Labor for years. If people were saying half the things about Turnbull that they said about Gillard, it would come as quite a shock to the Liberal nongs.

Turn BULL. Turn BULLSHIT.
Turnbull is a political assassin, responsible for assassinating two Liberal leaders.
Turnbull should be shot and buried at sea.

Exactly the same kind of things that were said about Gillard, recast for Turnbull. Now imagine three YEARS of this kind of unrelenting character assassination. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

Of course, Labor are far more moral than the Liberals, which is why Labor are challenging the Liberals on POLICY and not with the personal attacks that are de rigueur for the Coalition.

So what do you think of the Morgan Poll with Libs 56.5/43.5? Feeling pretty good about now?

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Why vote for a liberal government Reply #66 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50pm ... wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:45pm: There IS no reason to vote for a liberal government, now that they got rid of Abbott. That worm turdball had already signed the papers to sell us all out before he became leader. There has NEVER been a reason to vote for a Liberal government. Not a valid reason, anyway.
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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #67 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

Kat wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:50pm:

... wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:45pm:

There IS no reason to vote for a liberal government, now that they got rid of Abbott. That worm turdball had already signed the papers to sell us all out before he became leader.

There has NEVER been a reason to vote for a Liberal government.

Not a valid reason, anyway.

You're right - I have still never voted Liberal, but only because last election I didn't know how important Abbott was. With him gone, all hope is lost.

You idiots have no idea what you've done.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #68 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

double plus good wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:58pm:

I'm telling you nothing. I don't believe in the make up of our political system. I like the Liberals more than the Labor Party though. The Labor Party are a bunch of retards. They are a joke. Everything they touch turns into a mess. I'd like to see them fold up and be replaced by something else.

So you like the liberal party more then the labor party.

So why are all these so good for ALL Australians

will be doing nothing to address climate change

will possibly increase the GST, costing each family about $4,000 a year

will continue to ignore science of any description

will be doing nothing about housing affordability

will be doing nothing about the high unemployment levels

will be providing us with internet speeds that are the worst in the world

will continue to tighten the screws for people on welfare or income support

will still be giving billions to the mining companies
they will do nothing about the huge gap in wealth inequality (quite the opposite, they will continue to pander to the rich)

will do nothing to help the disadvantaged in our society (they

will probably cut funding even further)

will continue to beat around the bush as far as same-sex marriage goes

have intentions of changing the media ownership laws which will give Murdoch even more control of our media (and they’ll probably cut funding to the ABC even further)

will continue to demonise innocent people (Gillian Triggs is a good example)

will make it more costly to see a doctor or a specialist
if economists are correct, the government will lead us into a recession

will keep ripping coal out of our beautiful country – coal that nobody wants

will make tertiary education unaffordable

will strip away our citizenship if (as a dual citizen) we do as much as destroy a government owned coffee table

will spy on our every movement

will jail anybody who dares report on atrocities committed by the government

. . . and on and on the list goes

I know you won't answer them because you have no idea at all.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #69 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:27pm

http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2015/oct/03/scott-morrison-encourages-states-to-let-private-sector-run-schools-and-hospitals

Also Morrison is flagging the full privatization of hospitals and schools.

I mean, jesus christ, Abbott wouldn't touch these policies with a 10000ft pole and Turncoat does it and gets a 7 point rise!? Are Australian braindead or what? Talk about leading sheep to the slaughter.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #70 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:22pm

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:20pm:

The reason people vote Liberal is largely because they've been trained that the Liberals are the "Default, stable" Government of Australia and Labor is the "Challenger, Chaotic" Government. All political narrative in Australian media really boils down to this. Labor have to PROVE they deserve Government beyond a doubt, or people will just hand it to the Liberals for no other reason than "Its stable".

Its why Labor are flogged so much harder in the media than the Liberals. Lets be honest here, it was getting to the point when Gillard was in Government where elements of the mainstream media were calling for her assassination and overthrow, but what in **** did Gillard do what was so bad? 1 misquoted carbon tax "lie"? Wow, I remember entire political forums and meetings just being filled with idiots going "Why did you lie, Juliar? Why did you lie?" In fact, at one point I was actually going to meet Julia Gillard to debate Australian drug policy during the last rounds of widespread drug debate in the media, but literally I was drowned out by "Juliar, carbon tax lie" idiots that took up all the time and thus she wasn't able to discuss with me issues around our drug policy (which I had actually spent months talking to doctors, scientists and journalists about researching for).

So Julia Gillard, one of the single most successful Prime Ministers in our country had calls for her murder from politicians and media, while Abbott got lets be honest "Oh Abbott, hes kind of stupid, oh well". WHAT THE ****?!? Imagine if Gillard did 10% of the stupid of Abbott and co? She would be 6 ft under right now. Look at the media blackout on NBN, 50 billion+ down the drain and not a single ABC report on it for over 2 years, they didn't even allow NBN questions on QandA to Turnbull. Get that!? The largest infrastructure project and disaster in Australian history, and ABC didn't allow questions on NBN, in fact when criticized, ABC wrote in an official letter that "the debate is settled on MTM being the superior technology" I s*** you not, in an official ABC letter.

Everyone with a brain knows that Labor has far superior policy to Liberals (what policy do the Liberals have that isn't utter s*** really?) but because Shorten isn't a literal paragon of just holiness, there is no way Labor can win the election because of the absolutely insane standards they are held too.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #71 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:30pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Seems some people missed the Morgan POll results

56.5/43.5

How do you all feel now knowing that as it gets worse, Labor are going to lose more and more seats and sentors.

Plenty of time to see what Turncoat stands for between now and election .

Plenty of time?? 6 weeks ago it was 46/54 and now it is close to 57/43

At the current rate, it will be 60/40 before Christmas.

Do a bit of research Maria before you post and poll result.

Morgan is usually right. The last one, showing the Coalition on 56.5, though, is peculiar.

It has Labor on 59 percent among 18-24 year olds, and 56.5 percent among 25-34 year olds. These seem to me about right.

Yet it has the Coalition on 58.5 among 35-49 year olds, 60.5 percent among 50-64 year olds, and 65 percent among the over 65s.

Labor was ahead in every age group eight weeks ago. It seems odd that the 35-49 year olds should be such a contrast with the way they were. If, for instance, the sampling was wrong and the 35-49 year olds are 50-50, the whole thing would be more like 50-50, which I think is where it probably is.

There are (sigh) 711,660 18-24 year olds voting or preferring Labor; and of the 25-34 year olds 1,098,000 voting or preferring Labor. If, then, half the 35-50 year olds, that is 1,458,332 were too, the total thus far, 3,267,229, augurs something more like a 50-50 result.

The by-election in Canning, in Turnbull’s first week, showed a swing away from the Liberals of 9 percent. South West Coast a swing of 16 percent away from them. Polwarth a swing of 6 percent.

Something is wrong here. Swings to Labor in reality, and away from Labor in theory.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #72 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:08pm

Labor voter wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:30pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:16pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 4:41pm:

Seems some people missed the Morgan POll results

56.5/43.5

How do you all feel now knowing that as it gets worse, Labor are going to lose more and more seats and sentors.

Plenty of time to see what Turncoat stands for between now and election .

Plenty of time?? 6 weeks ago it was 46/54 and now it is close to 57/43

At the current rate, it will be 60/40 before Christmas.

Do a bit of research Maria before you post and poll result.

Morgan is usually right. The last one, showing the Coalition on 56.5, though, is peculiar.

It has Labor on 59 percent among 18-24 year olds, and 56.5 percent among 25-34 year olds. These seem to me about right.

Yet it has the Coalition on 58.5 among 35-49 year olds, 60.5 percent among 50-64 year olds, and 65 percent among the over 65s.

Labor was ahead in every age group eight weeks ago. It seems odd that the 35-49 year olds should be such a contrast with the way they were. If, for instance, the sampling was wrong and the 35-49 year olds are 50-50, the whole thing would be more like 50-50, which I think is where it probably is.

There are (sigh) 711,660 18-24 year olds voting or preferring Labor; and of the 25-34 year olds 1,098,000 voting or preferring Labor. If, then, half the 35-50 year olds, that is 1,458,332 were too, the total thus far, 3,267,229, augurs something more like a 50-50 result.

The by-election in Canning, in Turnbull’s first week, showed a swing away from the Liberals of 9 percent. South West Coast a swing of 16 percent away from them. Polwarth a swing of 6 percent.

Something is wrong here. Swings to Labor in reality, and away from Labor in theory.

Shhh , we know longy didnt read it but wanted to string him along for awhile , dont do that again eh Wink

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Reply #73 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:50pm

The liberal party finally gave the people what they wanted, the removal of the idiot. And the result is a reward in the polls. It will narrow, but to be honest even I'm inclined to vote liberal next election, if not to make it absolutely clear that removing tony was the greatest reform liberal party has done in 20 years.

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Re: Why vote for a liberal government
Reply #74 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 11:30pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 10:50pm:

The liberal party finally gave the people what they wanted, the removal of the idiot. And the result is a reward in the polls. It will narrow, but to be honest even I'm inclined to vote liberal next election, if not to make it absolutely clear that removing tony was the greatest reform liberal party has done in 20 years.

It's still difficult to believe that such a mentally defective individual made it to the office of PM.

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