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Reply #30 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:45pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

It is really quite awesomely hilarious watching some of you clowns dismiss the opinions of Nobel Laureates in Physics no less just because they disagree with ignorant, uneducated dopes like Gore.

Well it isn't his area of expertise, but at least he does understand science so that's a plus. Like I said there are detractors in every field.

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Reply #31 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:49pm

Even from an economic perspective clean energy completely goes over some peoples heads , we had 4.5 billion worth of clean energy projects in the pipeline and the CEFC being matched 3:1 from private capital, it was clearly working well on a financial level. Australia had the opportunity to be a world leader in renewables but took the lets do what everybody else is doing after Sept 2013. Foolish given our mining sector is in a recession this very moment.

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philperth2010 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20508 Perth Gender:	Re: Nobel Laureate pans Climate Change Reply #32 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:50pm No Governments are listening to the deniers are they....Ask yourself why??? http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/257775_Ivar_Giaevers_links_to_Exxon_M
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Reply #33 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:51pm

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:31pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:20pm:

What is the problem with embracing clean energy and reducing pollution , minus the hyperbole ?

We have reduced pollution mightily since the 70's.

We have more people suffering from asthma in spite of this cleaner atmosphere. Studies have suggested his may be due to "super" cleaning agents, so that children do not get exposed as much at home. It may be being exacerbated by children not playing outside as much any more; and thus getting exposed to toxins outdoors.

We've reduced it since the 70s so lets stop now? Is the trend in pollution reduction keeping up with worldwide population increase since the 70s ?

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Reply #34 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:53pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:12pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

What if it is one big hoax , and we make the world a better place to live . For nothing.

Clean air is overated anyway Cheesy

CO2 isn't 'dirty'. That's kinda the point.

What if it is one big hoax and we spend trillions of dollars trying (and failing) to fix a non-existent problem while billions die of starvation?

Starvation is over-rated anyway.

CO2 is a pollutant.

Starvation is more likely with global warming, along with deaths from cyclones, flooding etc.

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Reply #35 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:05pm:

What if it is one big hoax , and we make the world a better place to live . For nothing.

Clean air is overated anyway Cheesy

I have no problem making the world a cleaner, better place. I do have a problem with us going broke and being driven into poverty or rushing into using unreliable renewable energy sources on a mass scale that leads to problems such as an unreliable power grid. The global warming church would have us believe that an enormous calamity is just around the corner if we don't shut down all coal power yesterday. The truth is even if we did, it would still be about 150 years for changes to be noticeable in the atmosphere.

You have a problem with change. That is what all your posts here add up to. Well, the climate is changing, the globe is warming and we keep pumping GHGs into the atmosphere. That has to change—that dreaded word again!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Nobel Laureate pans Climate Change Reply #36 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:00pm philperth2010 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:50pm: No Governments are listening to the deniers are they....Ask yourself why??? http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/257775_Ivar_Giaevers_links_to_Exxon_M Heh, thought it would be something like that.
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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17967 Gender:	Re: Nobel Laureate pans Climate Change Reply #37 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:10pm Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:51pm: We've reduced it since the 70s so lets stop now? What is the level of pollution now? What is the cost of getting it cleaner and how much would that expenditure impact health? The law of diminishing returns.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Nobel Laureate pans Climate Change Reply #38 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:14pm We can close dirty polluting brown coal fired generators. More renewable energy generation and nuclear energy to power industry. That will reduce GHG emissions.
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Reply #39 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:20pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:50pm:

No Governments are listening to the deniers are they....Ask yourself why???

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/257775_Ivar_Giaevers_links_to_Exxon_M

Oh no evil oil. The ones that did climate research and never told anyone.

http://cdn.exxonmobil.com/~/media/global/files/energy-and-environment/climate_pe...

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17967 Gender:	Re: Nobel Laureate pans Climate Change Reply #40 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:21pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:14pm: Back to GHG's. The earth is not a greenhouse.
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Reply #41 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:25pm

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:10pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:51pm:

We've reduced it since the 70s so lets stop now?

What is the level of pollution now? What is the cost of getting it cleaner and how much would that expenditure impact health?

The law of diminishing returns.

Your putting a price on clean air, goodness me , it is all about you , Armpit had the foresight to roughly predict the benefits to our future generations, is it their problem is it? You can't see the big picture can you grasshopper Roll Eyes

And completely missing the economic benefits of being a world leader in renewables.

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Reply #42 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:28pm

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Your putting a price on clean air, goodness me , it is all about you , Armpit had the foresight to roughly predict the benefits to our future generations, is it their problem is it? You can't see the big picture can you grasshopper

You don't get it do you. As things get cleaner it costs more to get that extra bit cleaner. Where do you want to stop?

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Reply #43 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:32pm

lee wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:28pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:25pm:

Your putting a price on clean air, goodness me , it is all about you , Armpit had the foresight to roughly predict the benefits to our future generations, is it their problem is it? You can't see the big picture can you grasshopper

You don't get it do you. As things get cleaner it costs more to get that extra bit cleaner. Where do you want to stop?

Yeah get it's about the bottom line for just you Wink

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26214 Gender:	Re: Nobel Laureate pans Climate Change Reply #44 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:50am Kiron22 wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:29pm: Is he a climate scientist? No. Next. He IS a lot smarter than you, however. Not that that's a difficult accomplishment.
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