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Reply #15 - Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:27pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:10pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:46pm:

Did you join Herb?

I'll be ticking the box for them at the next election to give them a gee-up.

Bear in mind that so-called 'Rightwingers' can have very different ideas to one another upon various policy issues. The 'Right' is not a monolithic block. We can squabble among ourselves just as can any other people. Factions.

I like how you call the 'right' "people".

You may be an insufferable troll, however, you still have a great sense of humour.

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Reply #16 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:15am

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 9:27pm:

... you still have a great sense of humour.

I'm wearing a telephone directory down the back of my pants today.

All caution must be exercised when gregg starts busting out with love messages for me ... Kiss

Speaking of humour - the joke's on the Australian taxpayer yet once again.

"Sorry - no more money left in the kitty, so we'll all get back on the dole again ..."

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Reply #17 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:20am

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

One remembers the old maxim: Two wongs don't make a white.

While a lamentable viewpoint in this day and age, it's always worth remembering that nowadays it's the minority view that attracts the media blowflies - the majority have no right to special consideration. The majority are merely the cash-crop to be milked for the benefit of the minority.

Referendums in this country are not run because they would reflect the majority opinion, and therefore could influence legislation. Better to say that referendums are too expensive and are not inclusive of all viewpoints.

My question is:

Who influences Governmental policy?

The silent, though divided, majority - or the organised vocal minorities?

Who really runs 'democratic' societies in today's Western nations?

The representatives and therein lieth the problem with so called representative democracy.

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On the 26th of January you are all invited to celebrate little white penal day...

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Reply #18 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:37am

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:20am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

One remembers the old maxim: Two wongs don't make a white.

While a lamentable viewpoint in this day and age, it's always worth remembering that nowadays it's the minority view that attracts the media blowflies - the majority have no right to special consideration. The majority are merely the cash-crop to be milked for the benefit of the minority.

Referendums in this country are not run because they would reflect the majority opinion, and therefore could influence legislation. Better to say that referendums are too expensive and are not inclusive of all viewpoints.

My question is:

Who influences Governmental policy?

The silent, though divided, majority - or the organised vocal minorities?

Who really runs 'democratic' societies in today's Western nations?

The representatives and therein lieth the problem with so called representative democracy.

Wrong.

'Representatives' - my arse.

The first thing the Party Whip tells newcomers to parliament is to dump their romantic notions at the door and get it firmly in their heads that they are henceforth committed to doing nothing more than follow the party line.

No mavericks.

Just "shut up!" and do as they are told by the Inner Circle - and people like Peta Credlin. It's not a democracy where loose cannons can please themselves in parliament.

When David Oldfield finished his political career in the NSW Legislative Council (1999 - 2007) he spilled the beans on his radio TalkBack show that the vast majority of politicians he met were in politics to represent nobody else but themselves and their own private agendas.

And then lobbyists with cheque-books and great influence amongst the ethnic communities even have their own permanent offices down there in Canberra.

Policy is decided by a handful of people at the top of the political heap, with the Will of the People being regarded by them as a contemptuous joke.

As Rudd famously put it in front of the TV cameras - "I'm not here to follow 'public opinion' - I'm here to give leadership!", He said angrily.

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Reply #19 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:33am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 7:43pm:

double plus good wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 5:50pm:

It's great to see new parties emerging that don't follow the same old worn out agendas. Australia's future political landscape is going to be very interesting.

Hear hear.

The coming civil uprising in Germany is going to start the ball rolling all across the Western world so far as stopping this nonsense of immigrating our inherent enemies.

What happened to UKIP in the UK Herb and DoublePG?

Werent they the new way for UK? Anti Immigration and all that jazz!

How many seats have they won to date bugger all!

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BAN ALL THESE ABO SITES RECOGNITIONS.

ALL AUSTRALIA IS FOR ALL AUSTRALIANS!

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Reply #20 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:33am

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:37am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:20am:

Lionel Edriess wrote on Nov 4^th, 2015 at 8:27pm:

One remembers the old maxim: Two wongs don't make a white.

While a lamentable viewpoint in this day and age, it's always worth remembering that nowadays it's the minority view that attracts the media blowflies - the majority have no right to special consideration. The majority are merely the cash-crop to be milked for the benefit of the minority.

Referendums in this country are not run because they would reflect the majority opinion, and therefore could influence legislation. Better to say that referendums are too expensive and are not inclusive of all viewpoints.

My question is:

Who influences Governmental policy?

The silent, though divided, majority - or the organised vocal minorities?

Who really runs 'democratic' societies in today's Western nations?

The representatives and therein lieth the problem with so called representative democracy.

Wrong.

'Representatives' - my arse.

The first thing the Party Whip tells newcomers to parliament is to dump their romantic notions at the door and get it firmly in their heads that they are henceforth committed to doing nothing more than follow the party line.

No mavericks.

Just "shut up!" and do as they are told by the Inner Circle - and people like Peta Credlin. It's not a democracy where loose cannons can please themselves in parliament.

When David Oldfield finished his political career in the NSW Legislative Council (1999 - 2007) he spilled the beans on his radio TalkBack show that the vast majority of politicians he met were in politics to represent nobody else but themselves and their own private agendas.

And then lobbyists with cheque-books and great influence amongst the ethnic communities even have their own permanent offices down there in Canberra.

Policy is decided by a handful of people at the top of the political heap, with the Will of the People being regarded by them as a contemptuous joke.

As Rudd famously put it in front of the TV cameras - "I'm not here to follow 'public opinion' - I'm here to give leadership!", He said angrily.

Herb, I was actually using a bit of sarcasm there, of course, that is my error because it is difficult to convey in the written word.

The point is, our "representative democracy" is anything but representative democratically...

As such, any new party on the scene that fails to acknowledge this failing, that fails to address making changes of significance to the currently flawed system is simply more of the same unrepresentative swill that we have grown so accustomed to we have given up any hope of real change.

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Reply #21 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:03am

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:33am:

Herb, I was actually using a bit of sarcasm there, of course, that is my error because it is difficult to convey in the written word.

The point is, our "representative democracy" is anything but representative democratically...

As such, any new party on the scene that fails to acknowledge this failing, that fails to address making changes of significance to the currently flawed system is simply more of the same unrepresentative swill that we have grown so accustomed to we have given up any hope of real change.

Very well said, Phem.

I'm putting you back onto my cricket team.

When people vote for their local federal MP - it's actually something of a bad joke. They become Party animals from the first day they arrive in Canberra. Their delusions of representing their local community is crushed like a policeman's boot on a cockroach.

Voting an Independent is possibly the only sensible solution to this political farce.

I'm repeating myself, but Menzie's said it best ..

"Australia enjoys democracy on one day every four years". At least the bugger was honest about it.

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