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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #45 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Socialism is simply Revenge of the Losers. Grin

And once again you demonstrate your ignorance on the matter.

Your deranged idea of the perfect society is one where you can murder all the LNP voters and replace them with unemployed Muslims and Africans. Cheesy

You are a twat.

Grow up.

You've already stated that LNP supporters should be killed. He is completely accurate. You are lucky that liberals are far more moral and ethical than you could probably even conceive. If we weren't, you'd be dead or in jail long ago.

And so are you.

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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #46 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:42pm

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:10pm:

Muttley wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 2:01pm:

Socialism wouldn't work because the majority either admire success or are successful. Socialists, for the most part, hate success because they cannot aspire to it themselves.

Thats funny, because Engels was a rich factory owner, Lenin led an entire country and won a war against the rest of the world. Both pretty successful.

Socialists understand that Capitalism is unsustainable and strive to build a better future and society. While all you care about is personal wealth, Socialists care about humanity.

lol. So much so that they've killed millions to prove it.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 74973 Gender:	Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia Reply #47 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:44pm absolute socialism won't work anywhere, nor will absolute capitalism, to work you need a blend of both.
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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia Reply #48 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:46pm Will absolute socialism work in Australia what do you call income tax ? this is socialism by proxy namaste
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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #49 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 7:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:08pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 5:54pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 3:04pm:

Kat wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 1:22pm:

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:46pm:

Socialism is simply Revenge of the Losers. Grin

And once again you demonstrate your ignorance on the matter.

Your deranged idea of the perfect society is one where you can murder all the LNP voters and replace them with unemployed Muslims and Africans. Cheesy

You are a twat.

Grow up.

You've already stated that LNP supporters should be killed. He is completely accurate. You are lucky that liberals are far more moral and ethical than you could probably even conceive. If we weren't, you'd be dead or in jail long ago.

To be fair that was when Kat was off his meds.......that's when his National Socialist personality shows itself .... Cheesy

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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #50 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:01pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

lol. So much so that they've killed millions to prove it.

Because Capitalists are such loving angels. Reminder that more people die in a single decade from famine in Capitalist countries than died in the entirety of "Socialist" countries.

Also a bit rich calling Stalin and his puppets Socialists, when they actively rewinded every social gain of the revolution, restored the Orthodox church and implemented harsh social conservatism.

Actually funny that you right wingers hate Stalin at all, seems right up your alley! complete disregard for human rights, massive social conservative that hated gays and Muslims.

Funny when real Socialists turn up, Capitalists always find a way to point guns and massacre them.

You should read George Orwells Homage to Catalonia, presents a completely different perspective of what real Socialism is and the brave, loving real Socialists that tried to make freedom a reality, then were gunned down by Capitalists, Stalinists and embargoed by the west. Men, Women, Children, all mass murdered. Its a story that sadly repeats all over the world. The death count of the CIA alone must be in the tens of millions easily.

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Postmodern Trendoid III Gold Member Offline Posts: 10266 Gender:	Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia Reply #51 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:38pm Famines aren't usually the fault of the capitalist system, but rather idiotic people with no foresight breeding beyond their means. Full socialism only ever works by force, hence why they have had to kill millions in trying to get it to work.
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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia Reply #52 - Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:34pm [quote author=Timbo2530 link=1446681869/49#49 date=1446714946] To be fair that was when Kat was off his meds.......that's when his [i]National Socialist personality shows itself .... [/i] I think he just misses Pol Pot.
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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #53 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:44am

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

[quote author=Timbo2530 link=1446681869/49#49 date=1446714946]
To be fair that was when Kat was off his meds.......that's when his [i]National Socialist personality shows itself .... Cheesy

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I think he just misses Pol Pot. Sad

And his opposition here, with no idea whatsoever, doesn't even begin to miss Stalin and Hitler.... the two greatest Caesars in modern history.... but with much less humanity that the original Julius Caesar...

All those who oppose reason and common sense here, such as those who lambast Kat without any substantiation, are no different from the greatest tyrants who have ever lived... except that no one of you has any real power... thank god.

I guess you'll just have to rely on your proxies like Tony and Joey, and Kevie and Bob Carr and all the rest, and even Julia ... just neo-Fascist dictators in disguise without one single clue about real people.....

I guess to those theoretisists among you - that makes me a Trotsky-ite.

Never been more wrong....

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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #54 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:59am

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

[quote author=Timbo2530 link=1446681869/49#49 date=1446714946]
To be fair that was when Kat was off his meds.......that's when his [i]National Socialist personality shows itself .... Cheesy

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I think he just misses Pol Pot. Sad

And I think you're a frigging idiot.

Thus nature balances.

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innocentbystander. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4723 Gender:	Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia Reply #55 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:06am Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 12:44am: such as those who lambast Kat without any substantiation Except there is plenty of substantiation
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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #56 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:17am

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:40pm:

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 12:36pm:

Honestly think that Socialism shouldn't be marred by the poor Stalinist systems and their ripoffs of the past for several reasons.

- They in no way conformed to Socialist theory or material conditions outlined by Marx.

- Marx envisioned Socialism as a system that would appear as a system when Capitalist contradiction basically causes an implosion of the system (which may happen at any crisis in the future)

He wanted the workers to take control of the means of production by force, and not wait for any 'contradictions'. There was then to be, in Marx's idealistic vision, a temporary dictatorship of the workers. Then next stage was then communism, where state borders wither away and each person works according to their needs and ability.

That worked well, didn't it?

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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #57 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:21am

Kiron22 wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 8:01pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 6:42pm:

lol. So much so that they've killed millions to prove it.

Because Capitalists are such loving angels. Reminder that more people die in a single decade from famine in Capitalist countries than died in the entirety of "Socialist" countries.

Also a bit rich calling Stalin and his puppets Socialists, when they actively rewinded every social gain of the revolution, restored the Orthodox church and implemented harsh social conservatism.

Actually funny that you right wingers hate Stalin at all, seems right up your alley! complete disregard for human rights, massive social conservative that hated gays and Muslims.

Funny when real Socialists turn up, Capitalists always find a way to point guns and massacre them.

You should read George Orwells Homage to Catalonia, presents a completely different perspective of what real Socialism is and the brave, loving real Socialists that tried to make freedom a reality, then were gunned down by Capitalists, Stalinists and embargoed by the west. Men, Women, Children, all mass murdered. Its a story that sadly repeats all over the world. The death count of the CIA alone must be in the tens of millions easily.

Would you care to try and justify the BS in the highlighted bit, Vladimir? What is it about communists that they lie so easily? Is propaganda your only skill?

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Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia
Reply #58 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:22am

innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:34pm:

[quote author=Timbo2530 link=1446681869/49#49 date=1446714946]
To be fair that was when Kat was off his meds.......that's when his [i]National Socialist personality shows itself .... Cheesy

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I think he just misses Pol Pot. Sad

There is still Putin and assorted dictators for him to love.

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Kiron22 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 896 Gender:	Re: Will absolute socialism work in Australia Reply #59 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 8:46am innocentbystander. wrote on Nov 5^th, 2015 at 9:34pm: I think he just misses Pol Pot. The same Khmer Rouge that was funded by the United States and Britain to kill Communists? Who overthrew the Rouge? Oh right, dirty reds
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