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Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:55pm
 
survey shows more Aussies are cool on warming


IT’S a miracle. Most Australians are now global warming sceptics, despite years of being misled by the media.

A CSIRO survey of more than 5000 people has confirmed it, even though warmist reporters tried to spin it.

For the first time since Al Gore’s 2006 film An Inconvenient Truth claimed man was heating the world to disaster, Australians who believe this scare are outnumbered by those who don’t. True, a worrying 45.9 per cent of Australians do still think man is mostly to blame for what warming we’ve seen over the past several decades.

But those believers are now outnumbered by people who think this warming is natural (38.6 per cent) or not occurring at all (7.9 per cent) — which means sceptics total 46.5 per cent. The rest don’t know.

In fact, even 19 per cent of Greens voters are sceptics. Yes, the shift is that huge. What a tribute to the good sense of Australians.

For nearly a decade, reporters claimed the vast majority of you believed man really was heating the world dangerously. And the media campaigned furiously to make sure you did. You were bombarded with propaganda. Your doubts were mocked. You were told that the world’s temperature was soaring, when there’s actually been no significant warming of the atmosphere for some 18 years.

You were told we were getting more and worse cyclones, when the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s latest report in fact admits neither seems true and, if anything, we’re getting fewer.

You were told by Professor Tim Flannery in 2007 that warming could dry out the dams of Sydney, Brisbane and Adelaide within a couple of years because “even the rain that falls isn’t actually going to fill our dams and our river systems”. Except it did, repeatedly, to the point of flooding.  Grin

You were told by the ABC’s chief science presenter, Robyn Williams, the seas could rise up to 100 metres this century, thanks to a dramatic melting of the Antarctic — which NASA last week conceded was instead increasing in ice mass.
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You were told by the UN that the world’s food crops would fail, when they’ve instead set new records.

You were told to beware of giant hailstones (Professor Ross Garnaut), dengue fever (Professor Tony McMichael), tsunamis (World Vision boss Tim Costello), killer heatwaves (Professor Peter Doherty), seas as high as “an eight-storey building” (Flannery), a “permanent drought” (Greens leader Bob Brown) and a dead Great Barrier Reef by 2050 (Professor Ove Hoegh-Gulberg).

Your politicians, with rare exceptions, failed you. They should have challenged this disgraceful alarmism. Instead, they exploited it and even forced you to pay billions for fake schemes and taxes to “stop” a warming that actually halted or dramatically slowed nearly two decades ago.  Roll Eyes

Yet this miracle has occurred. You’ve kept your heads when so many journalists tried so hard to make you panic.

In fact, they’re still at it, even with this report, which the warmist CSIRO quietly slipped out among the distractions of Melbourne Cup day.

None of the media reports pointed out the central finding: that believers in man-made global warming are now in a minority in Australia.

Instead, they tried to bury it with spin. Typically, the ABC was worst, actually giving the impression that global warming faith was as strong as ever. “Research by the CSIRO has found more than three quarters of Australians agree climate change is happening,” it burbled, “with divisions emerging along political lines”. Excuse me, but this debate has never been about whether “climate change is real”.

Of course, it’s real. The climate always changes. The real debate is what caused what warming we’ve seen — and whether more warming is bad and worth trying to stop.

The Sydney Morning Herald and Age were little better, spinning the CSIRO’s results into a story of how Coalition voters were numbskulls — the holdouts refusing to “accept” the truth: “Barely one in four Coalition voters accepts climate change is mostly caused by humans,” its tut-tutting report began.

It even added the hope, expressed by an alarmist scientist, that new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull could save the Liberals from this error: “Many Coalition voters will take their cue from the PM and shift their views.”

Don’t count on it, champ. He tried to shift the views of Coalition supporters the last time he was Liberal leader and it cost him his job.

Face facts: the public smells the warmist bull and is finally crying: “Enough!” The time for truth is now.
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Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2015 at 7:57pm
 
I think that the majority, of that minority, of those warmist, are on this forum...

numbskulls...  Roll Eyes
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Reply #2 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 5:27am
 
what?

have all you cowards and snake oil salesmen gone into hiding like Bull Shittens branch stackers??
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 5:48am
 
ExxonMobil gave millions to climate-denying lawmakers despite pledge


Under pressure from shareholders, company promised eight years ago to stop funding climate denial – but financial and tax records tell a different story

ExxonMobil gave more than $2.3m to members of Congress and a corporate lobbying group that deny climate change and block efforts to fight climate change – eight years after pledging to stop its funding of climate denial, the Guardian has learned.

Climate denial – from Republicans in Congress and lobby groups operating at the state level – is seen as a major obstacle to US and global efforts to fight climate change, closing off the possibility of federal and state regulations cutting greenhouse gas emissions and the ability to plan for a future of sea-level rise and extreme weather.

Exxon channeled about $30m to researchers and activist groups promoting disinformation about global warming over the years, according to a tally kept by the campaign group Greenpeace. But the oil company pledged to stop such funding in 2007, in response to pressure from shareholder activists.

“In 2008 we will discontinue contributions to several public policy groups whose position on climate change could divert attention from the important discussion on how the world will secure energy required for economic growth in an environmentally responsible manner,” Exxon said in its 2007 Corporate Citizenship report.

But since 2007, the oil company has given $1.87m to Republicans in Congress who deny climate change and an additional $454,000 to the American Legislative Exchange Council (Alec), according to financial and tax records.

In a statement to the Guardian this week, Exxon spokesman Richard Keil reiterated: “ExxonMobil does not fund climate denial.”

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/15/exxon-mobil-gave-millions-cli...
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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 5:51am
 
Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/jul/08/exxon-climate-change-1981-cli...
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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 5:53am
 
How Margaret Thatcher led the way on climate change

Nearly two decades before Al Gore raised awareness of climate change, Margaret Thatcher was calling for an international scientific body to investigate the issue.

Back in 1988, however, it was a different politician who put the science of climate change firmly on the global agenda. Unbeknownst to many, that person was Margaret Thatcher.

As a Fellow of the Royal Society, Britain's national science academy, she presented a series of high profile speeches on the topic of climate change. Armed with a degree in chemistry from Oxford, her scientific expertise enabled her to speak from a position of strength and knowledge about climate-related issues.

She used that knowledge to act as a champion for the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and personally opened the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction and Research (the UK's foremost climate change research centre).

What many people admired about Margaret Thatcher was her ability to embrace the potential of science to guide and lead the way on environmental issues. What marked her out even more is that she embraced the 'precautionary principle' years before other politicians did. As she once said:

"...the danger of global warming is as yet unseen but real enough for us to make changes and sacrifices, so that we do not live at the expense of future generations."
On November 8th 1989, she addressed the General Assembly of the United Nations about the need for nations to join together in tackling climate change.

It was a groundbreaking speech where she eloquently set out the case for international action and argued for an ongoing role for the IPCC. Indeed, some would argue that the IPCC owes its existence to the support that Thatcher gave it at that time.

Her political understanding of the issue also led to her call for a global response that would bring about real change:

"It is no good squabbling over who is responsible or who should pay. Whole areas of our planet could be subject to drought and starvation if the pattern of rains and monsoons were to change as a result of the destruction of forests and the accumulation of greenhouse gases. The environmental challenge which confronts the whole world demands an equivalent response from the whole world. Every country will be affected and no one can opt out."


http://www.abc.net.au/environment/articles/2013/04/09/3732680.htm
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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 5:58am
 
Human caused heat trapping carbon dioxide increasing ... yet the denialists clam it's naturally increasing.

Yet from where ... they will not say.
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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:06am
 
That's an excellent OP mechanic.
You've assembled a telling bunch of examples there of the GW conspirators at work with their Goebbelesque nonsense and you've rightly identified the good sense of the common people.
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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:11am
 
bogarde73 wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:06am:
That's an excellent OP mechanic.
You've assembled a telling bunch of examples there of the GW conspirators at work with their Goebbelesque nonsense and you've rightly identified the good sense of the common people.



Yet it's plagiarized

http://www.pressreader.com/australia/the-daily-telegraph-sydney/20151105/2818314...
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Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:35am
 
Three points:

1. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - it doesn't float up like methane does.

2. By FAR the greatest source of Carbon Dioxide are the oceans.

3. Carbon Dioxide is an essential plant food.


The reason behind the fabricated 'Climate Change' hoax is that it should act as a ploy to re-distribute trillions of dollars from the Filthy Rich Capitalist West to the Third World Victimhood 'Developing Nations' by way of helping them finance their own carbon emissions reduction schemes ... with only a tiny percentage of the gifted money actually going towards that purpose.

It's just another scheme to suck more Foreign Aid (ie charity dollars) out of the industrialised wickedly Capitalist West.

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Reply #10 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:40am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:35am:
Three points:

1. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - it doesn't float up like methane does.

2. By FAR the greatest source of Carbon Dioxide are the oceans.

3. Carbon Dioxide is an essential plant food.


The reason behind the fabricated 'Climate Change' hoax is that it should act as a ploy to re-distribute trillions of dollars from the Filthy Rich Capitalist West to the Third World Victimhood 'Developing Nations' by way of helping them finance their own carbon emissions reduction schemes ... with only a tiny percentage of the gifted money actually going towards that purpose.

It's just another scheme to suck more Foreign Aid (ie charity dollars) out of the industrialised wickedly Capitalist West.



4. There has been no proven correlation between carbon dioxide and rising temperature levels. Might as well blame cows farting.
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Reply #11 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:47am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:35am:
Three points:

1. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - it doesn't float up like methane does.

2. By FAR the greatest source of Carbon Dioxide are the oceans.

3. Carbon Dioxide is an essential plant food.


The reason behind the fabricated 'Climate Change' hoax is that it should act as a ploy to re-distribute trillions of dollars from the Filthy Rich Capitalist West to the Third World Victimhood 'Developing Nations' by way of helping them finance their own carbon emissions reduction schemes ... with only a tiny percentage of the gifted money actually going towards that purpose.

It's just another scheme to suck more Foreign Aid (ie charity dollars) out of the industrialised wickedly Capitalist West.


OMG! So much there that is wrong!

1. CO2 is all through the atmosphere. Gases don’t stratify, don’t form layers.

2. Mankind, not the oceans is the major contributor now to the CO2 in the atmosphere

3. The plant food furphy. CO2 is a plant food yet as the greenhouse effect of CO2 warms the globe the nitrogen intake (and so the protein content) of plants declines. As minimum night time temperatures rise plants take in less CO2.

Reality is a bit more complex than Herbie suggests.
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Reply #12 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:56am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:35am:
Three points:

1. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - it doesn't float up like methane does.

Convection current carry them upwards, and gaseous diffusion would cause mixing with air even without convection. That's because gas molecules are in a state of constant motion, colliding with other molecules, millions of times a second, causing them gradually to diffuse ("spread") in all directions.


2. By FAR the greatest source of Carbon Dioxide are the oceans.

Oceans Absorb Less Carbon Dioxide as Marine Systems Change

The oceans are by far the largest carbon sink in the world. Some 93 percent of carbon dioxide is stored in algae, vegetation, and coral under the sea.
But oceans are not able to absorb all of the carbon dioxide released from the burning of fossil fuels. In fact, a recent study suggests that the oceans have absorbed a smaller proportion of fossil-fuel emissions, nearly 10 percent less, since 2000.

http://www.worldwatch.org/node/6323




3. Carbon Dioxide is an essential plant food.

Crop yeild decreases with higher carbon dioxide levels

Elevated CO2 also leads to changes in the chemical composition of plant tissues. Due to increased photosynthetic activity, leaf nonstructural carbohydrates (sugars and starches) per unit leaf area increase on average by 30–40% under FACE elevated CO2 (Ainsworth 2008; Ainsworth & Long 2005). Leaf nitrogen concentrations in plant tissues typically decrease in FACE under elevated CO2, with nitrogen per unit leaf mass decreasing on average by 13% (Ainsworth & Long 2005). This decrease in tissue nitrogen is likely due to several factors: dilution of nitrogen from increased carbohydrate concentrations; decreased uptake of minerals from the soil, as stomatal conductance decreases and plants take up less water (Taub & Wang 2008); and decreases in the rate of assimilation of nitrate into organic compounds (Bloom et al. 2010).

Protein concentrations in plant tissues are closely tied to plant nitrogen status. Changes in plant tissue nitrogen are therefore likely to have important effects on species at higher trophic levels. Performance is typically diminished for insect herbivores feeding on plants grown in elevated CO2 (Zvereva & Kozlov 2006). This can lead to increased consumption of plant tissues as herbivores compensate for decreased food quality (Stiling and Cornelissen 2007). Effects on human nutrition are likely as well. In FACE experiments, protein concentrations in grains of wheat, rice and barley, and in potato tubers, are decreased by 5–14% under elevated CO2 (Taub et al. 2008). Crop concentrations of nutritionally important minerals including calcium, magnesium and phosphorus may also be decreased under elevated CO2 (Loladze 2002; Taub & Wang 2008).


http://www.nature.com/scitable/knowledge/library/effects-of-rising-atmospheric-concentrations-of-carbon-13254108

The reason behind the fabricated 'Climate Change' hoax is that it should act as a ploy to re-distribute trillions of dollars from the Filthy Rich Capitalist West to the Third World Victimhood 'Developing Nations' by way of helping them finance their own carbon emissions reduction schemes ... with only a tiny percentage of the gifted money actually going towards that purpose.

It's just another scheme to suck more Foreign Aid (ie charity dollars) out of the industrialised wickedly Capitalist West.




The cause of the denialism is due to short term greed by the groups with vested interest fooling people.
The majority (97%) of climate scientists know human caused climate change is real.

Do you listen to these scientists or the fossil fuel funded sites?
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Reply #13 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:57am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:40am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:35am:
Three points:

1. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - it doesn't float up like methane does.

2. By FAR the greatest source of Carbon Dioxide are the oceans.

3. Carbon Dioxide is an essential plant food.


The reason behind the fabricated 'Climate Change' hoax is that it should act as a ploy to re-distribute trillions of dollars from the Filthy Rich Capitalist West to the Third World Victimhood 'Developing Nations' by way of helping them finance their own carbon emissions reduction schemes ... with only a tiny percentage of the gifted money actually going towards that purpose.

It's just another scheme to suck more Foreign Aid (ie charity dollars) out of the industrialised wickedly Capitalist West.



4. There has been no proven correlation between carbon dioxide and rising temperature levels. Might as well blame cows farting.



97% of climate scientists disagree.

So what's your qualification ... your a daily telegraph reader?
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Reply #14 - Nov 6th, 2015 at 7:03am
 
____ wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:57am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:40am:
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 6th, 2015 at 6:35am:
Three points:

1. Carbon Dioxide is heavier than air - it doesn't float up like methane does.

2. By FAR the greatest source of Carbon Dioxide are the oceans.

3. Carbon Dioxide is an essential plant food.


The reason behind the fabricated 'Climate Change' hoax is that it should act as a ploy to re-distribute trillions of dollars from the Filthy Rich Capitalist West to the Third World Victimhood 'Developing Nations' by way of helping them finance their own carbon emissions reduction schemes ... with only a tiny percentage of the gifted money actually going towards that purpose.

It's just another scheme to suck more Foreign Aid (ie charity dollars) out of the industrialised wickedly Capitalist West.



4. There has been no proven correlation between carbon dioxide and rising temperature levels. Might as well blame cows farting.



97% of climate scientists disagree.

So what's your qualification ... your a daily telegraph reader?


Yep, 75 out of 77 of those acceptable to the people running the survey agree...shame about the 3000+ respondents that didn't.
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