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Reply #30 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:51am:

Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years

How big was email in 1981? The email was written in 2014. What the Garudian can't even get dates right?

From the email-

'Whatever their public stance, internally they make very careful assessments of the potential for regulation, including the scientific basis for those regulations. Exxon NEVER denied the potential for humans to impact the climate system. It did question - legitimately, in my opinion - the validity of some of the science.'

'Having spent twenty years working for Exxon and ten working for Mobil, I know that much of that ethical behavior comes from a business calculation that it is cheaper in the long run to be ethical than unethical. '

' On October 8, 2014, the Director received the following reply (reprinted with permission) from Lenny Bernstein'

https://www.ohio.edu/appliedethics/iape-speakers-and-events.cfm

The garudian didn't get much right, did it?

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Reply #31 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:21pm

lee wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:56am:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:51am:

Exxon knew of climate change in 1981, email says – but it funded deniers for 27 more years

How big was email in 1981? The email was written in 2014. What the Garudian can't even get dates right?

From the email-

'Whatever their public stance, internally they make very careful assessments of the potential for regulation, including the scientific basis for those regulations. Exxon NEVER denied the potential for humans to impact the climate system. It did question - legitimately, in my opinion - the validity of some of the science.'

'Having spent twenty years working for Exxon and ten working for Mobil, I know that much of that ethical behavior comes from a business calculation that it is cheaper in the long run to be ethical than unethical. '

' On October 8, 2014, the Director received the following reply (reprinted with permission) from Lenny Bernstein'

https://www.ohio.edu/appliedethics/iape-speakers-and-events.cfm

The garudian didn't get much right, did it?

Well no, not in reality..but the Guardian DID get it 'right' from the point of view of 'idiotic panicky alarmism '

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: survey shows Aussies are waking up to Global Warmi Reply #32 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am: Greens... why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ??? No ideal what you're on about. Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?
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Reply #33 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Re: survey shows Aussies are waking up to Global Warmi
Reply #34 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:07pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

When did abuse become your default position. There was a time when I respected your opinions.

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Reply #35 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:13pm

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

When did abuse become your default position. There was a time when I respected your opinions.

When it became obvious that the pro-AGW people were WRONG..
Sorry, but the idea that 'human-caused global warming exists' is becoming more and more idiotic..

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #36 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:15pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

When did abuse become your default position. There was a time when I respected your opinions.

When it became obvious that the pro-AGW people were WRONG..
Sorry, but the idea that 'human-caused global warming exists' is becoming more and more idiotic..

So human activity has no effect in your mind.

Would a human caused nuclear war change the global climate?

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Reply #37 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:30pm

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

When did abuse become your default position. There was a time when I respected your opinions.

When it became obvious that the pro-AGW people were WRONG..
Sorry, but the idea that 'human-caused global warming exists' is becoming more and more idiotic..

So human activity has no effect in your mind.

Would a human caused nuclear war change the global climate?

gizmo is from planet accountant: he thinks nobody can read Cheesy

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Reply #38 - Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:46pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 5:30pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:15pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

When did abuse become your default position. There was a time when I respected your opinions.

When it became obvious that the pro-AGW people were WRONG..
Sorry, but the idea that 'human-caused global warming exists' is becoming more and more idiotic..

So human activity has no effect in your mind.

Would a human caused nuclear war change the global climate?

gizmo is from planet accountant: he thinks nobody can read Cheesy

I'm from Planet Reality : I think everyone CAN read..which means they can understand that AWG is complete bullshit...

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"I just get sick of people who place a label on someone else with their own definition.

It's similar to a strawman fallacy"
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Reply #39 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:20am

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:13pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

Perhaps the mechanic is talking about the idiot warmists twist on history??

When did abuse become your default position. There was a time when I respected your opinions.

When it became obvious that the pro-AGW people were WRONG..
Sorry, but the idea that 'human-caused global warming exists' is becoming more and more idiotic..

Yet we keep on pumping GHGs into the atmosphere, only more ons and ideologues insist that has no effect. Sorry, GHGs cause a greenhouse effect and now even the Antarctic is starting to lose ice to the sea.

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Reply #40 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 6:04am

____ wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 3:50pm:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:45am:

Greens...

why don't you quote Maggie Thatcher when she saw that her early work was taken over by liars and scare mongers ???

No ideal what you're on about.
Are you talking about someone else's twist on history?

no, of course not... you only see what you want to see... the things that suit your lies..

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 6^th, 2015 at 11:48am:

Quote:

In 2003, towards the end of her last book, Statecraft, in a passage headed "Hot Air and Global Warming", she issued what amounts to an almost complete recantation of her earlier views.

She voiced precisely the fundamental doubts about the warming scare that have since become familiar to us. Pouring scorn on the "doomsters", she questioned the main scientific assumptions used to drive the scare, from the conviction that the chief force shaping world climate is CO2, rather than natural factors such as solar activity, to exaggerated claims about rising sea levels. She mocked Al Gore and the futility of "costly and economically damaging" schemes to reduce CO2 emissions. She cited the 2.5C rise in temperatures during the Medieval Warm Period as having had almost entirely beneficial effects. She pointed out that the dangers of a world getting colder are far worse than those of a CO2-enriched world growing warmer. She recognised how distortions of the science had been used to mask an anti-capitalist, Left-wing political agenda which posed a serious threat to the progress and prosperity of mankind.

In other words, long before it became fashionable, Lady Thatcher was converted to the view of those who, on both scientific and political grounds, are profoundly sceptical of the climate change ideology. Alas, what she set in train earlier continues to exercise its baleful influence to this day. But the fact that she became one of the first and most prominent of "climate sceptics" has been almost entirely buried from view.

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lee Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17670 Gender:	Re: survey shows Aussies are waking up to Global Warmi Reply #41 - Nov 7^th, 2015 at 11:44am Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 7^th, 2015 at 2:20am: and now even the Antarctic is starting to lose ice to the sea. Net ice gain.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47234 Gender:	Re: survey shows Aussies are waking up to Global Warmi Reply #42 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:19am The Antarctic is losing more and more ice to the sea. That is the important bit.
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47234 Gender:	Re: survey shows Aussies are waking up to Global Warmi Reply #43 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:20am http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/science/exxon-mobil-under-investigation-in-new... Exxon–Mobil under investigation for lies to investors, public about AGW dangers.
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Reply #44 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 11:29am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:20am:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/06/science/exxon-mobil-under-investigation-in-new...

Exxon–Mobil under investigation for lies to investors, public about AGW dangers.

Most Aussies are sheep dogs and can smell snake oil from miles away.

Some Aussies are unfortunately sheep and believe anything.

And then some Aussies who are sheeple become wolves to con more Aussies into believing the Anthropogenic Global Warming religion.

Quote:

In Exxon War, Bamboozled by Greenies

This fantasy is summed up in the ICN series by Penn State climatologist Michael Mann,who is quoted as saying, “All it would’ve taken is for one prominent fossil fuel CEO to know this was about more than just shareholder profits.”

But wait, hasn’t this experiment been run? In the early 2000s, BP CEO John Brownebegan sounding a climate alarm. Ron Oxburgh, the chairman of Shell, gave a speech warning of planetary doom. In 2007, Alcoa, GE, Duke Energy, Ford, DuPont and others endorsed a U.S. cap-and-trade bill.

All this failed to move the ball in two successive congresses, though, because Senate Democrats (the second time joined by President Obama) didn’t want to be blamed for jacking up gasoline prices.

http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com.au/

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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
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