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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #16 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #17 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:58pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:20pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 3:58pm:

Religious people are selfish and self-centred, just look at Tony Abbott and Scott Morrison and the religious posters on here and how they are happy to treat asylum seekers.

Peter Dutton....let's see.....he got a 'Christian Values Award'.....he might be just a low life grunt though.

Mostly horrible people, even the nice ones have horrible humanitarian ideals.

By and large, the Christians on this forum behave appallingly and are a terrible representation of their religion but they're not all like that.

My parent's church is very pro-asylum seeker, among other altruistic and truly compassionate things. My parents are very nice people who raised me to be thoughtful, non-prejudiced and humble. I was taught similar things through my convent school education. That convent sponsored several Vietnamese refugees.

Good to hear Mothra, a first hand report of a church being pro asylum seeker.

There's a famous one in Gosford that is very left-leaning too, with a political voice. I bet that pastor doesn't even molest children.

I like that, and this:

https://signposts02.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/jesus-had-2-dads.jpg

http://www.springhillvoice.com/images/scottmorrison.jpg

http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2013/09/29/1226728/761960-fdab4b56-2744-11e...

The 'Christians on this forum are very selective.

http://images.smh.com.au/2013/09/01/4711106/art-353-cartoon-20wilcox-300x0.jpg

http://s3-static-ak.buzzfed.com/static/2015-06/19/0/campaign_images/webdr02/this...

And all of those are why the Anglican Church has average age of 70 and scarcely any new-comers. People want a Church to stand for something - preferably the Bible. The Anglican church - like the Uniting Church - stands for whatever is popular. Which is why nobody goes.

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Reply #18 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

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Reply #19 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

Definition of altruism: the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.

Note the absence of sharing stickers in the definition. UNSELFISH CONCERN is not sharing a sticker. DEVOTION TO THE WELFARE OF OTHERS is not sharing a sticker. Giving away your entire lunch to a hungry kid is closer to the mark. Standing up to bullies in the playground is closer. sharing a sticker is nothing at all.

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Reply #20 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

Definition of altruism: the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.

Note the absence of sharing stickers in the definition. UNSELFISH CONCERN is not sharing a sticker. DEVOTION TO THE WELFARE OF OTHERS is not sharing a sticker. Giving away your entire lunch to a hungry kid is closer to the mark. Standing up to bullies in the playground is closer. sharing a sticker is nothing at all.

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

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Reply #21 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:07pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

The problem with debating with you is that you know so little on just about every topic. Sociopaths are often 'lovely children' where no one sees what is really going on until later. They share stickers, but torture small animals when no one is looking. For goodness sake, do some reading!

SHARING STICKERS... the new definition of character!!!!

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Reply #22 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

Definition of altruism: the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.

Note the absence of sharing stickers in the definition. UNSELFISH CONCERN is not sharing a sticker. DEVOTION TO THE WELFARE OF OTHERS is not sharing a sticker. Giving away your entire lunch to a hungry kid is closer to the mark. Standing up to bullies in the playground is closer. sharing a sticker is nothing at all.

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Never had children, have you?

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Reply #23 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:12pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:07pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

The problem with debating with you is that you know so little on just about every topic. Sociopaths are often 'lovely children' where no one sees what is really going on until later. They share stickers, but torture small animals when no one is looking. For goodness sake, do some reading!

SHARING STICKERS... the new definition of character!!!!

You always get nasty when you get backed into a corner. Most un-Christian like of you. You are a stunning example of the Christians of this forum who behave appallingly.

Is that because you don;t think we're worth a damn because we are not good Christians like you? On our way to hell are we?

Now care to answer why children would share stickers? Why some would not?

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Reply #24 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

Definition of altruism: the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.

Note the absence of sharing stickers in the definition. UNSELFISH CONCERN is not sharing a sticker. DEVOTION TO THE WELFARE OF OTHERS is not sharing a sticker. Giving away your entire lunch to a hungry kid is closer to the mark. Standing up to bullies in the playground is closer. sharing a sticker is nothing at all.

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Never had children, have you?

I have two young children Mara. Like it matters.

Why would some share stickers while others would not? What reason did the children have for sharing stickers?

It seems to be a really difficult question for you.

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Reply #25 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:09pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:06pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:05pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:01pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:55pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:45pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

What do you think sharing stickers is a sign of Maria?

Nothing... at... all...

It is children sharing stickers. They are not choosing to take a punishment in place of another or giving up play time or something of substance - which would still be weak.... they are STICKERS!!!

Surely a better test of altruism would be to use actual adults with a minimum age of say 30 and see how altruistic they are out in the real world. Funny that wasn't done. Actually, not funny at all. It is rather obvious. If you want to disprove the connection between Christianity and altruism you have to avoid adult experiences because the vast majority of volunteer social service is done by Christians. And so we are testing children sharing stickers and thinking that is a good thing. Sociopaths are often very cute and loving children who share stickers and grow up to share body parts with other sociopaths.

What kind of sick mind would test children taking punishments in place of another? No, i think sharing stickers is a perfect way to test altruism. There is, of course, no other reason to share than to make another happy.

As for the rest of your post, well it's just a long succession of things you've just made up. Sociopaths are cute and loving chidren now? Who grow up to share body parts?

Definition of altruism: the principle or practice of unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others.

Note the absence of sharing stickers in the definition. UNSELFISH CONCERN is not sharing a sticker. DEVOTION TO THE WELFARE OF OTHERS is not sharing a sticker. Giving away your entire lunch to a hungry kid is closer to the mark. Standing up to bullies in the playground is closer. sharing a sticker is nothing at all.

What reason could the children possibly have for sharing stickers Maria?

Never had children, have you?

I have two young children Mara. Like it matters.

Why would some share stickers while others would not? What reason did the children have for sharing stickers?

It seems to be a really difficult question for you.

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

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Reply #26 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

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Reply #27 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

And this is why I don't believe you have children - or you never see them. Children will give a minor thing like a sticker to another child because:

1) they want to
2) they don't particularly care
3) they know they are expected to
4) to annoy another child
5) to try and get someone to like them

The worthlessness of the experiment is because of the extreme low value of the item. Try it with something the kids value highly - like special food or tasty drink, or toys all the kids want.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of kids over the decades I can tell you what many child-care workers will: Some of the nicest kids turn out to be horrible adults and some of the bully kids turn out to be angels.

Of course, an actual parent would already know that.

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Reply #28 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

And this is why I don't believe you have children - or you never see them. Children will give a minor thing like a sticker to another child because:

1) they want to
2) they don't particularly care
3) they know they are expected to
4) to annoy another child
5) to try and get someone to like them

The worthlessness of the experiment is because of the extreme low value of the item. Try it with something the kids value highly - like special food or tasty drink, or toys all the kids want.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of kids over the decades I can tell you what many child-care workers will: Some of the nicest kids turn out to be horrible adults and some of the bully kids turn out to be angels.

Of course, an actual parent would already know that.

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

What this parent knows is that it is significant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group of children did not.

You seem to be glossing over that bit Maria.

And i'm not going to stoop to your level by questioning whether or not you have any experience with children but if you do, you are not showing it.

Young children value stickers highly enough. Some were sharing. Some weren't. Why do you think that is Maria?

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Reply #29 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm

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Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.ht...

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

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