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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #45 - Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 9:03pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:59pm:

He Man wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:52pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 8:46pm:

At the very least, these studies are breaking down the morality spin of religionists.

So their can be no morality so the greens can feel more comfortable with their buggery and bestiality.

Morality is a human state, not a religious one.

Morality (from the Latin moralitas "manner, character, proper behavior") is the differentiation of intentions, decisions, and actions between those that are distinguished as proper and those that are improper: In other words, it is the disjunction between right and wrong.

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I guess the greens don't learn something new every day even if it is posted to them staring them in the face eh?

If I required a dictionary entry, I would of looked it up.
Religionists use to claim they are the guards of morality. Now we know this untrue.

So what is the purpose of religion?

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Reply #46 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

And this is why I don't believe you have children - or you never see them. Children will give a minor thing like a sticker to another child because:

1) they want to
2) they don't particularly care
3) they know they are expected to
4) to annoy another child
5) to try and get someone to like them

The worthlessness of the experiment is because of the extreme low value of the item. Try it with something the kids value highly - like special food or tasty drink, or toys all the kids want.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of kids over the decades I can tell you what many child-care workers will: Some of the nicest kids turn out to be horrible adults and some of the bully kids turn out to be angels.

Of course, an actual parent would already know that.

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

What this parent knows is that it is significant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group of children did not.

You seem to be glossing over that bit Maria.

And i'm not going to stoop to your level by questioning whether or not you have any experience with children but if you do, you are not showing it.

Young children value stickers highly enough. Some were sharing. Some weren't. Why do you think that is Maria?

Who knows? They are CHILDREN. Children do all manner of incomprehensible and odd things. The point is that this test says absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever and your belief otherwise is stilly.

And no, I don't believe you have children. No sane parent would swallow this rubbish for a nanosecond.

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #47 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.ht...

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

Presumably to be Green and Gay and leave all the awful 'straights' to breed replacements.

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #48 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:09am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

freediver wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 7:28pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.ht...

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

I suppose it is altruistic for you to offer to take their children away from them so you can raise them properly.

Presumably to be Green and Gay and leave all the awful 'straights' to breed replacements.

Luckily there are the other 99.95% of straights (the nice ones) to breed the next gay generation.

So relax Maria, you can go back to hating all the gay children at your god bothering centre.

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #49 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:57am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

And this is why I don't believe you have children - or you never see them. Children will give a minor thing like a sticker to another child because:

1) they want to
2) they don't particularly care
3) they know they are expected to
4) to annoy another child
5) to try and get someone to like them

The worthlessness of the experiment is because of the extreme low value of the item. Try it with something the kids value highly - like special food or tasty drink, or toys all the kids want.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of kids over the decades I can tell you what many child-care workers will: Some of the nicest kids turn out to be horrible adults and some of the bully kids turn out to be angels.

Of course, an actual parent would already know that.

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

What this parent knows is that it is significant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group of children did not.

You seem to be glossing over that bit Maria.

And i'm not going to stoop to your level by questioning whether or not you have any experience with children but if you do, you are not showing it.

Young children value stickers highly enough. Some were sharing. Some weren't. Why do you think that is Maria?

Who knows? They are CHILDREN. Children do all manner of incomprehensible and odd things. The point is that this test says absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever and your belief otherwise is stilly.

And no, I don't believe you have children. No sane parent would swallow this rubbish for a nanosecond.

No, the point is one group of children shared stickers and the other didn't. One group showed altruism and the other did not.

This seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp, so difficult you are going on about sociopaths. The best you can come up with when asked to explain why is "i don't know". The answer is obvious. One group of children showed more empathy than the other. Kind of rules out your sociopath theory doesn't it

And i don't believe for a second that you've had kids. You seem to have absolutely no understanding of what they value or how they work.

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #50 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:00am

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:52pm:

Gnads wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 4:30pm:

Why do you judge the worthiness of religious people on the basis of whether or not they support the entry of illegal economic boat hopping migrants you call asylum seekers?

Most of which belong to a so called religion that is extremely intolerant of any other religion.

Christianity?

Not even close Roll Eyes

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #51 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:04am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.ht...

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

I know.....what a petty, desperate and futile basis for any sane argument.

Only the insane of OzPol could rely on such a study.

And this thread evidences such insanity.

Enjoy!

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #52 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:27am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.ht...

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

I know.....what a petty, desperate and futile basis for any sane argument.

Only the insane of OzPol could rely on such a study.

And this thread evidences such insanity.

Enjoy!

The stickers are valued by the children and so the altruistic value of the child is measured.
Why are religious kids mean spirited. Is it nature or nurture?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35584 Gender:	Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious Reply #53 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:52am ____ wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:27am: Why are religious kids mean spirited. Is it nature or nurture? Same reason the grown-ups are mean spirited. Look at their replies on this thread?
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Reply #54 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:36am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 8:57am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 7:42am:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:51pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:41pm:

mothra wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:33pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 6:24pm:

Let's put the question back onto you. YOU tell me why kids share stickers. Tell us all how it is the absolute perfect indicator of character in children. Go on... tell us all the reasons kids share stickers, then I will share the ones you missed - which will be plenty.

Where did i say that it was the perfect indicator of character in children Maria? You really need to stop just making things up.

I would very much like you to explain how it is insignificant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group did not. The only reason to share stickers is to give something to somebody else that they don't have. Kindness.

And this is why I don't believe you have children - or you never see them. Children will give a minor thing like a sticker to another child because:

1) they want to
2) they don't particularly care
3) they know they are expected to
4) to annoy another child
5) to try and get someone to like them

The worthlessness of the experiment is because of the extreme low value of the item. Try it with something the kids value highly - like special food or tasty drink, or toys all the kids want.

As someone who has worked with hundreds of kids over the decades I can tell you what many child-care workers will: Some of the nicest kids turn out to be horrible adults and some of the bully kids turn out to be angels.

Of course, an actual parent would already know that.

Can you communicate without being such a prick? Seriously? It gets really old.

What this parent knows is that it is significant that one group of children shared their stickers and another group of children did not.

You seem to be glossing over that bit Maria.

And i'm not going to stoop to your level by questioning whether or not you have any experience with children but if you do, you are not showing it.

Young children value stickers highly enough. Some were sharing. Some weren't. Why do you think that is Maria?

Who knows? They are CHILDREN. Children do all manner of incomprehensible and odd things. The point is that this test says absolutely nothing of any value whatsoever and your belief otherwise is stilly.

And no, I don't believe you have children. No sane parent would swallow this rubbish for a nanosecond.

No, the point is one group of children shared stickers and the other didn't. One group showed altruism and the other did not.

This seems to be a difficult concept for you to grasp, so difficult you are going on about sociopaths. The best you can come up with when asked to explain why is "i don't know". The answer is obvious. One group of children showed more empathy than the other. Kind of rules out your sociopath theory doesn't it

And i don't believe for a second that you've had kids. You seem to have absolutely no understanding of what they value or how they work.

Sharing Stickers is not the worlds leading definition of 'altruism' or even close. You would have to be the biggest dimwit and gullible fool to swallow that.

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Re: Secular Children More Altruistic Than Religious
Reply #55 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:51am

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 9:04am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 5:35pm:

____ wrote on Nov 8^th, 2015 at 2:56pm:

Another thread for freediver

Religion doesn't make kids more generous or altruistic, study finds

Here’s a discovery that could make secular parents say hallelujah: Children who grow up in nonreligious homes are more generous and altruistic than children from observant families.

A series of experiments involving 1,170 kids from a variety of religious backgrounds found that the non-believers were more likely to share stickers with their classmates and less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others.

http://www.latimes.com/science/la-sci-sn-religion-sharing-kids-20151106-story.ht...

These results seem to fly in the face of the idea that religion is necessary to lead a moral life — a notion “so deeply embedded that individuals who are not religious can be considered morally suspect,” as the study authors put it.

The findings “call into question whether religion is vital for moral development,” the researchers concluded. They don't seem to think so; separating religion from morality, they wrote, “will not reduce human kindness — in fact, it will do just the opposite.”

SHARING STICKERS????????????????????

Since when was that any kind of development of altruism. What an absolutely worthless study!

I know.....what a petty, desperate and futile basis for any sane argument.

Only the insane of OzPol could rely on such a study.

And this thread evidences such insanity.

Enjoy!

I discovered rather quickly that most posters here are on the lower scale of intelligence and social awareness. Even so, the idea that anyone at all would think sticker-sharing was a measurement of anything at all, nevermind altruism.

I heard of a 9yo girl who raised $5000 for poor children. But she probably doesn't share her stickers!

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Reply #56 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:56am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 10:36am:

Sharing Stickers is not the worlds leading definition of 'altruism' or even close. You would have to be the biggest dimwit and gullible fool to swallow that.

Who said it was? You really need to stop just making things up when you don't have an actual argument Maria.

However, it clearly shows that one group was willing to share and another was not. Why do you think that is Maria? You really don't seem to be able to answer that besides saying that you don't know.

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Reply #58 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

They are KIDS. Grow a brain. IF you had ever had kids, you would see through the idiocy of that statement. Why do you think they don't do this study on ADULTS? Surely the effect of a religious upbringing would be far better determined in adults? But they didn't and we all know why. Because there are gullible people that think that a handful of children with stickers 'explains everything'.

Your gullibility is truly staggering. Did you ever wonder if the TRUE target of this research was the readers to determine just how gullible they are?

PS posting ludicrous 'research' and studying peoples comments, is not a new thing.

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Reply #59 - Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:28am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:21am:

mothra wrote on Nov 9^th, 2015 at 11:05am:

Anyway Maria, the study also showed that the non-religious kids were "less likely to endorse harsh punishments for people who pushed or bumped into others".

What do you have to say to that?

They are KIDS. Grow a brain. IF you had ever had kids, you would see through the idiocy of that statement. Why do you think they don't do this study on ADULTS? Surely the effect of a religious upbringing would be far better determined in adults? But they didn't and we all know why. Because there are gullible people that think that a handful of children with stickers 'explains everything'.

Your gullibility is truly staggering. Did you ever wonder if the TRUE target of this research was the readers to determine just how gullible they are?

PS posting ludicrous 'research' and studying peoples comments, is not a new thing.

Yes they are kids. And the study showed that the older the child was the more likely they were to stick to the studies findings.

Why is the fact that they are kids discredit the findings Maria?

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