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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters Reply #105 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am Could not think of a better place to be right now, watching a skimpily clad guy with a great body on the shopping channel and reading you lot ~~ much fun for absolutely zero coin.
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Reply #106 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:27am:

Bazza wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:24am:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:04am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

Where are these so called pretend christians that go against what Christianity teaches. My lord surely you can prove Christians are doing it.

I already have. Numerous times.

Here's another one.

"FGM is practiced among some adherents of the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish faiths. FGM is also practiced among some animists, who believe in the existence of individual spirits and supernatural forces. It is erroneously linked to religion, is not particular to any religious faith, and predates Christianity and Islam. However, some adherents of these religions believe the practice is compulsory for followers of the religion. Because of this flawed link to various religions, and specifically to Islam, religious leaders have an important role to play in dissociating FGM from religion.

For example, while FGM is practiced in Egypt, which is predominantly Muslim, it is not practiced in many other countries with predominantly Muslim populations, such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The association of FGM with Islam has been refuted by many Muslim scholars and theologians who say that FGM is not prescribed in the Quran and is contradictory to the teachings of Islam."

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-genital-mutilation

That's not proof at all where does it prove christians are going against Christianity and mutilating young girls like they do in Islam ?

Please show us something real instead of a looney site that has no proof just hearsay to satisfy haters.

You do understand the question don't you or are you really this slow ?

I've provided many links.

Here's another one.

Religion or Culture?

Female Genital Mutilation occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and is practiced by Christians, Muslims and Animists alike. In Egypt, where perhaps 97 percent of girls suffer genital mutilation, both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit. Thus, it has long been concluded to be a cultural practice, not connected to religion.

http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-culture/

That's not proof. That's just an assumption they are actually Christians. Life proved muslims support it. You have proven nothing of the such with regards to christianity.

It won't happen because she can't. Christianity does not support such abuse like islam does. I have already proven that.

No. You haven;t.

You are presented with the stark reality that people, whatever religion they claim to follow, behave appallingly in the name of that religion.

You don't like it very much when the religion being used to behave badly is the one you follow.

Now think how Muslims feel, coming up against mind-sets like your own.

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Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters
Reply #107 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:36am

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:30am:

Bazza wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:24am:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:19am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:13am:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:04am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 12:59am:

Where are these so called pretend christians that go against what Christianity teaches. My lord surely you can prove Christians are doing it.

I already have. Numerous times.

Here's another one.

"FGM is practiced among some adherents of the Muslim, Christian, and Jewish faiths. FGM is also practiced among some animists, who believe in the existence of individual spirits and supernatural forces. It is erroneously linked to religion, is not particular to any religious faith, and predates Christianity and Islam. However, some adherents of these religions believe the practice is compulsory for followers of the religion. Because of this flawed link to various religions, and specifically to Islam, religious leaders have an important role to play in dissociating FGM from religion.

For example, while FGM is practiced in Egypt, which is predominantly Muslim, it is not practiced in many other countries with predominantly Muslim populations, such as Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. The association of FGM with Islam has been refuted by many Muslim scholars and theologians who say that FGM is not prescribed in the Quran and is contradictory to the teachings of Islam."

https://www.hrw.org/news/2010/06/16/qa-female-genital-mutilation

That's not proof at all where does it prove christians are going against Christianity and mutilating young girls like they do in Islam ?

Please show us something real instead of a looney site that has no proof just hearsay to satisfy haters.

You do understand the question don't you or are you really this slow ?

I've provided many links.

Here's another one.

Religion or Culture?

Female Genital Mutilation occurs in non-Muslim societies in Africa and is practiced by Christians, Muslims and Animists alike. In Egypt, where perhaps 97 percent of girls suffer genital mutilation, both Christian Copts and Muslims are complicit. Thus, it has long been concluded to be a cultural practice, not connected to religion.

http://www.stopfgmmideast.org/background/islam-or-culture/

That's not proof. That's just an assumption they are actually Christians. Life proved muslims support it. You have proven nothing of the such with regards to christianity.

You've got to be kidding? How many links have i posted? You need more?

And Life proved nothing of the sort. Most Muslims don't support it. That's just a fact.

From wikipedia... will you accept anything?

"Christianity[edit]
The Bible does not mention female circumcision.[83][84] A secret Christian sect – the Russian Skoptsy – quoted passages from the Bible (Matthew, xix,12) to support the female circumcision ritual.[19] Although Christian authorities unanimously agree that female circumcision has no foundation in the religious texts of Christianity, some Christian women are circumcised in Egypt, Kenya, Nigeria and Tanzania wrongly believing it to be a religious requirement.[85]

In Africa, missionaries have tried to discourage the practice. However, in some instances, in order to retain converts from other religions, they have either ignored or condoned the continuation of these practices. Mary Nyangweso[86] states, “Christianity, it is important to stress, does not advocate the total eradication of the Nandi female initiation rite. Rather it advocates the need to eradicate the practice of circumcision that involves clitoridectomy and excision because it is physically unhealthy and does not conform to Christian teaching. The initiation rite can continue to be practised and the actual circumcision can be replaced by some other symbolic acts not harmful to women's bodies. This can be derived from the culture itself or Scripture that now forms part of the Nandi way of life.”[86]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_on_female_genital_mutilation

So you are trying to use people that circumcise girls that say they are christians to say real Christians are circumcising their young girls. Yet you have proven Christianity does not support it.
That's not proof real Christians are circumcising their kids.

You just shot another own goal.

So you have no proof real christians are circumcising their young girls just people that claim they are christian yet christianity doesn't support it.

Own goal.

Got anything else ?

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Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85361 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters Reply #108 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:38am Damn! Does this mean the trolls are gone? What happened to the sport here?
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Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters
Reply #109 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:43am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:36am:

So you are trying to use people that circumcise girls that say they are christians to say real Christians are circumcising their young girls. Yet you have proven Christianity does not support it.
That's not proof real Christians are circumcising their kids.

You just shot another own goal.

So you have no proof real christians are circumcising their young girls just people that claim they are christian yet christianity doesn't support it.

Own goal.

Got anything else ?

You know, you can't just shout "own goal" and have it mean what you hope it means. I know you were trying to be effective but you've just come off as silly.

you;re whole argument hinges on "real Christians" versus is suppose 'imaginary' ones. Ones who you don't agree with, that is. The fact remains that they use Christianity to perform an act of gross abuse. I'm sure the fact that you don't call them "real" Christians is lost on them.

I wonder how Muslims who don't believe in female genital mutilation feel when it is levelled at them that is an enforceable part of their religion, when they know of course that is is not.

So much religious intolerance based on so much misinformation.

Are you going to be a part of that problem Life?

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Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters
Reply #110 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:46am

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:27am:

It won't happen because she can't. Christianity does not support such abuse like islam does. I have already proven that.

No. You haven;t.

Yes I have proven islam supports it. You are a liar.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female_Genital_Mutilation

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447305971/60

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

You are presented with the stark reality that people, whatever religion they claim to follow, behave appallingly in the name of that religion.

That's not a stark reality that's basic FACT.
It is also FACT Islam supports it. Something you choose to remain ignorant off for trolling sakes.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

You don't like it very much when the religion being used to behave badly is the one you follow.

I don't like it when people like you lie. You have not proven Christianity supports female mutilation like you made out.
You used generalization with no evidence Christianity supports it at all.

You to date have not proven one real Christian has committed this act. Yet practicing muslims have as Islam supports it as proven.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

Now think how Muslims feel, coming up against mind-sets like your own.

I think muslims would be pretty pissed at you actually for trying to make out their beloved Islam does not support it.

You are just a troll and an ignorant one at that. Best you stick to subjects that you actually know something about next time dear. Not much has changed from your yahoo trolling days has it love. You still look the fool you are.

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Posting on islam just encourages them and is a waste of time.

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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85361 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters Reply #111 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:47am She showed you already that Ethiopian etc 'Christians' engage in FMG, and that it is a 'cultural' thing. Why do you not engage the issue? Would you as a father allow that to happen to YOUR daughter? I'd KILL anyone who wanted to do that to my child....
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Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters
Reply #112 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:52am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:46am:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:27am:

It won't happen because she can't. Christianity does not support such abuse like islam does. I have already proven that.

No. You haven;t.

Yes I have proven islam supports it. You are a liar.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female_Genital_Mutilation

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447305971/60

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

You are presented with the stark reality that people, whatever religion they claim to follow, behave appallingly in the name of that religion.

That's not a stark reality that's basic FACT.
It is also FACT Islam supports it. Something you choose to remain ignorant off for trolling sakes.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

You don't like it very much when the religion being used to behave badly is the one you follow.

I don't like it when people like you lie. You have not proven Christianity supports female mutilation like you made out.
You used generalization with no evidence Christianity supports it at all.

You to date have not proven one real Christian has committed this act. Yet practicing muslims have as Islam supports it as proven.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

Now think how Muslims feel, coming up against mind-sets like your own.

I think muslims would be pretty pissed at you actually for trying to make out their beloved Islam does not support it.

You are just a troll and an ignorant one at that. Best you stick to subjects that you actually know something about next time dear. Not much has changed from your yahoo trolling days has it love. You still look the fool you are.

As a proven liar, LOD - what else you got?

Not much, I warrant.

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Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters
Reply #113 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:52am

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:46am:

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:27am:

It won't happen because she can't. Christianity does not support such abuse like islam does. I have already proven that.

No. You haven;t.

Yes I have proven islam supports it. You are a liar.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Female_Genital_Mutilation

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447305971/60

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

You are presented with the stark reality that people, whatever religion they claim to follow, behave appallingly in the name of that religion.

That's not a stark reality that's basic FACT.
It is also FACT Islam supports it. Something you choose to remain ignorant off for trolling sakes.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

You don't like it very much when the religion being used to behave badly is the one you follow.

I don't like it when people like you lie. You have not proven Christianity supports female mutilation like you made out.
You used generalization with no evidence Christianity supports it at all.

You to date have not proven one real Christian has committed this act. Yet practicing muslims have as Islam supports it as proven.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

Now think how Muslims feel, coming up against mind-sets like your own.

I think muslims would be pretty pissed at you actually for trying to make out their beloved Islam does not support it.

You are just a troll and an ignorant one at that. Best you stick to subjects that you actually know something about next time dear. Not much has changed from your yahoo trolling days has it love. You still look the fool you are.

You're deranged. You're sick with your disease.

How horrible that it;s so contagious.

I'm only heartened by the fact that i don't think your sphere of influence is very large.

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Reply #114 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:55am

FGM is performed by Muslims, Christians, and animists in 28 countries in Africa, a few in the Middle East, as well as some immigrant communities in North America, Europe and Australia. According to the WHO, nearly half of FGM cases occur in Egypt and Ethiopia.

There are many historical references to FGM that predate Christianity and Islam, including by Herodetus, the 5th-century B.C. historian. FGM was also practiced in 19th-century America and Europe because it was thought to cure insanity, masturbation, and libido.

Female circumcision is not mentioned in any of the holy books of the three Abrahamic faiths. But one disputed hadith, or story about Islam's Prophet Muhammad, seems to condone, or at least not object to, a cutting of the clitoris. That hadith is cited by Hatem al-Haj of the Assembly of Muslim Jurists in America, a conservative organization, in a 2010 opinion that condoned a type of FGM that involves the cutting or nicking of the clitoral hood.

At the same time, he also advised Muslims in the West against the procedure.

"For Muslims who live in the West, since it is not mandatory and it is at the same time illegal in the West, and would bring about harm to the people who practice it, I wouldn't advise having it done," al-Haj wrote.

Many Muslim scholars, however, say the authenticity of this hadith is suspect, and say it should be rejected. A growing number of Islamic scholars have condemned the practice. In Egypt, where both Muslim and Coptic Christian communities perform FGM, the country's highest Muslim leaders issued fatwas against the practice in 2007 and 2010.

According to a 2011 United Nations report, 61 Islamic scholars from 10 African countries also issued a fatwa against FGM. The same report said more than 4,100 religious leaders have taught followers that FGM is not sanctioned by Islam, while nearly 1,000 religious edicts called on Muslims to abandon the practice.

"The role of religious leaders is extremely important," said Eyega, who was born in southern Sudan. "It's important to get them involved."

Imam Mohamed Magid, the president of the Islamic Society of North America, agreed.

"Having the imam on board to address this issue is very crucial," Magid told a State Department audience last February to mark an International Day of Zero Tolerance for the practice. "We would like to have an imam coalition, Imams Against FGC, and it will be a movement across the Muslim world to have the imams say we will not accept this practice."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/29/female-gential-mutilation-religion_n_20...

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters Reply #115 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:55am fight you lot - I hate peace
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Reply #117 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:59am

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:43am:

You know, you can't just shout "own goal" and have it mean what you hope it means.

You just proved christianity does not support female genital mutilation. So no Christian would commit female genital mutilation.

It was an own goal.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

I know you were trying to be effective but you've just come off as silly.

If you think your owns goals were silly I can live with that.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

you;re whole argument hinges on "real Christians" versus is suppose 'imaginary' ones.

You said Christians supported it and did it. I said they do not as Christian doctrine DOES NOT support it let that sink in to your THICK HEAD.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

Ones who you don't agree with, that is.

Nope ones you try to peddle off as christians to support your non argument.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

The fact remains that they use Christianity to perform an act of gross abuse.

Incorrect again as they cannot use christianity to perform it at all as christianity does NOT support it as you yourself have proven.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

I'm sure the fact that you don't call them "real" Christians is lost on them.

I am sure that what a Christian actually is is totally lost on you.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

I wonder how Muslims who don't believe in female genital mutilation feel when it is levelled at them that is an enforceable part of their religion,

They would be surprised that it actually is no doubt and if they had one iota of humanity in them would leave the bile religion.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

when they know of course that is is not.

Liar after finding out they would know it IS SO.
That wasn't even a nice try. It was desperate.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

So much religious intolerance based on so much misinformation.

No so much ignorance displayed by you as per usual on the subject matter at hand that anyone can clearly read by you in this thread.

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:34am:

Are you going to be a part of that problem Life?

As usual you fade into an incoherent babble.

Best you leave muslims to fend for themselves because clearly you just insult them and their religion.

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Agnes Gold Member Offline fish dinner Posts: 6081 Bedford Park rnd	Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters Reply #118 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:59am It was a joke Mothra... anyway, way past my bed time.
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Re: Muslim Woman Mutilates Daughters
Reply #119 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:59am

mothra wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:43am:

LifeOrDeath wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:36am:

So you are trying to use people that circumcise girls that say they are christians to say real Christians are circumcising their young girls. Yet you have proven Christianity does not support it.
That's not proof real Christians are circumcising their kids.

You just shot another own goal.

So you have no proof real christians are circumcising their young girls just people that claim they are christian yet christianity doesn't support it.

Own goal.

Got anything else ?

You know, you can't just shout "own goal" and have it mean what you hope it means. I know you were trying to be effective but you've just come off as silly.

you;re whole argument hinges on "real Christians" versus is suppose 'imaginary' ones. Ones who you don't agree with, that is. The fact remains that they use Christianity to perform an act of gross abuse. I'm sure the fact that you don't call them "real" Christians is lost on them.

I wonder how Muslims who don't believe in female genital mutilation feel when it is levelled at them that is an enforceable part of their religion, when they know of course that is is not.

So much religious intolerance based on so much misinformation.

Are you going to be a part of that problem Life?

You have shot about 7 own goals to date trying to prove christians commit female mutilation. You seem too upset over the fact islam supports it for you to be coherent.

Think it through before you post.

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