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Reply #60 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:08am
 
Agnes wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:06am:
To speak for Muslims you would first have to understand them and I don't know of any sane person who could possibly understand the muslim mind- I never will and I am glad about that. Any culture that breed's baby boys for Jihad- wtf is that? FMG is but the tip of the ice berg in terms of their insanity .



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Reply #61 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.
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Reply #62 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:10am
 
I've lived and worked amongst them - have you?
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Reply #63 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:12am
 
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.


Its doesn't, she's just trolling as per usual and upset the musseys do.
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Reply #64 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:13am
 
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.



Where in the Qu'ran does it?

But fallible people have interpreted the 'word of God' to conduct themselves in all sorts of unsavoury practices. Haven't you noticed?

As i have already said, in some parts of Africa, female genital mutilation pre-dates the books. It pre-dates religion. As religion has come to the people, sp have the people adapted religion to suit their practices.

Come on now. Did you really need that spelled out for you?
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Reply #65 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:14am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:10am:
I've lived and worked amongst them - have you?


But of course you have, was this while you were commanding a special SAS unit and Researching a possible landing on mars before you were approached by ASIO ? Grin Grin Grin

Yah right matey. Which mosque were you IMAM off Grin.
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Reply #66 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:15am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:13am:
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.



Where in the Qu'ran does it?

But fallible people have interpreted the 'word of God' to conduct themselves in all sorts of unsavoury practices. Haven't you noticed?

As i have already said, in some parts of Africa, female genital mutilation pre-dates the books. It pre-dates religion. As religion has come to the people, sp have the people adapted religion to suit their practices.

Come on now. Did you really need that spelled out for you?


My question was and I will only repeat this once : -

Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.
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Reply #67 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:15am
 
Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country.
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Reply #68 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:16am
 
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:15am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:13am:
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.



Where in the Qu'ran does it?

But fallible people have interpreted the 'word of God' to conduct themselves in all sorts of unsavoury practices. Haven't you noticed?

As i have already said, in some parts of Africa, female genital mutilation pre-dates the books. It pre-dates religion. As religion has come to the people, sp have the people adapted religion to suit their practices.

Come on now. Did you really need that spelled out for you?


My question was and I will only repeat this once : -

Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.


Where in the Qu'ran does it say it?

Are you seriously arguing that religion isn't misinterpreted by people?
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Reply #69 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:17am
 
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:15am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:13am:
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.



Where in the Qu'ran does it?

But fallible people have interpreted the 'word of God' to conduct themselves in all sorts of unsavoury practices. Haven't you noticed?

As i have already said, in some parts of Africa, female genital mutilation pre-dates the books. It pre-dates religion. As religion has come to the people, sp have the people adapted religion to suit their practices.

Come on now. Did you really need that spelled out for you?


My question was and I will only repeat this once : -

Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.


ha ha I think that is so cute-"love".
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Reply #70 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:17am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:15am:
Eritrea has almost 90 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country. Ethiopia has 75 percent female genital mutilation. It's a Christian country.



Perfectly true.....
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Reply #71 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:21am
 
The Jewish and Christian view on female genital mutilation

Abstract

Female genital mutilation (FGM) is a practice involving the removal of all or parts of the female external genitalia. It has been documented in 28 African countries and in some countries in Asia and the Middle East, but due to increasing immigration from these countries to the western world, FGM has become a worldwide human rights and health issue. Contrary to the belief that it is a practice carried out by Muslims only, it is also practiced by Christians and a minority group of Ethiopian Jews. However, FGM is neither mentioned in the Torah, nor in the Gospels, and – like in Islam – bodily mutilation is condemned by both religions. In fact, FGM is a mix of mainly cultural and social factors which may put tremendous pressure on the members of the society in question.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1110570413000258
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Reply #72 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:22am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:13am:
Bazza wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:09am:
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:07am:
There are many websites. All say the same thing.

It's also worth noting that this is an area of particular interest to me, so i know of what i speak.

Christian perform female genital mutilation.

It's just simply a fact.


Where in Christianity does it tell a christian to perform female genital mutilation love ?

Show us these facts of yours.



Where in the Qu'ran does it?

But fallible people have interpreted the 'word of God' to conduct themselves in all sorts of unsavoury practices. Haven't you noticed?

As i have already said, in some parts of Africa, female genital mutilation pre-dates the books. It pre-dates religion. As religion has come to the people, sp have the people adapted religion to suit their practices.

Come on now. Did you really need that spelled out for you?


Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, trimming the moustache, cutting the nails and plucking the armpit hairs.”
Bukhari 5891; Muslim 52

Abu al- Malih ibn `Usama's father relates that the Prophet said: "Circumcision is a law for men and a preservation of honour for women."
Ahmad Ibn Hanbal 5:75; Abu Dawud, Adab 167.

Narrated Umm Atiyyah al-Ansariyyah: A woman used to perform circumcision in Medina. The Prophet (peace be upon him) said to her: Do not cut severely as that is better for a woman and more desirable for a husband.
Abu Dawud 41:5251

Abu Musa reported: There cropped up a difference of opinion between a group of Muhajirs (Emigrants and a group of Ansar (Helpers) (and the point of dispute was) that the Ansar said: The bath (because of sexual intercourse) becomes obligatory only-when the semen spurts out or ejaculates. But the Muhajirs said: When a man has sexual intercourse (with the woman), a bath becomes obligatory (no matter whether or not there is seminal emission or ejaculation). Abu Musa said: Well, I satisfy you on this (issue). He (Abu Musa, the narrator) said: I got up (and went) to 'A'isha and sought her permission and it was granted, and I said to her: 0 Mother, or Mother of the Faithful, I want to ask you about a matter on which I feel shy. She said: Don't feel shy of asking me about a thing which you can ask your mother, who gave you birth, for I am too your mother. Upon this I said: What makes a bath obligatory for a person? She replied: You have come across one well informed! The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: When anyone sits amidst four parts (of the woman) and the circumcised parts touch each other a bath becomes obligatory.
Sahih Muslim 3:684

Circumcision is obligatory (for every male and female) by cutting off the piece of skin on the glans of the penis of the male, but circumcision of the female is by cutting out the clitoris (this is called Hufaad)
Reliance of the Traveller: A Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law
Ahmad ibn Naqib al-Misri

Circumcision is not an inherited custom as some people claim, rather it is prescribed in Islam and the scholars are unanimously agreed that it is prescribed. Not a single Muslim scholar – as far as we know – has said that circumcision is not prescribed.

Their evidence is to be found in the saheeh ahaadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), which prove that it is prescribed, for example:

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The hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (5889) and Muslim (257) from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him), that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "The fitrah is five things – or five things are part of the fitrah – circumcision, shaving the pubes, cutting the nails, plucking the armpit hairs, and trimming the moustache."
This hadeeth includes circumcision of both males and females.
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Muslim (349) narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When a man sits between the four parts (arms and legs of his wife) and the two circumcised parts meet, then ghusl is obligatory.”
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) mentioned the two circumcised parts, i.e., the circumcised part of the husband and the circumcised part of the wife, which indicates that a woman may be circumcised just like a man.
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Abu Dawood (5271) narrated from Umm ‘Atiyyah al-Ansaariyyah that a woman used to do circumcisions in Madeenah and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to her: “Do not go to the extreme in cutting; that is better for the woman and more liked by the husband.” But the scholars differed concerning this hadeeth. Some of them classed it as da’eef (weak) and others classed it as saheeh. It was classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood. The fact that circumcision for women is prescribed in Islam is confirmed by the ahaadeeth quoted above, not by this disputed hadeeth. But the scholars differed concerning the ruling, and there are three opinions:
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That it is obligatory for both males and females. This is the view of the Shaafa’is and Hanbalis, and is the view favoured by al-Qaadi Abu Bakr ibn al-‘Arabi among the Maalikis (may Allaah have mercy on them all).
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Reply #73 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:22am
 
Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Majmoo’ (1/367): "Circumcision is obligatory for both men and women in our view. This is the view of many of the salaf, as was narrated by al-Khattaabi. Among those who regarded it as obligatory is Ahmad… it is the correct view that is well known and was stated by al-Shaafa’i (may Allaah have mercy on him), and the majority stated definitively that it is obligatory for both men and women."
See Fath al-Baari, 10/340; Kishshaaf al-Qinaa’, 1/80
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That circumcision is Sunnah for both males and females. This is the view of the Hanafis and Maalikis, and was narrated in one report from Ahmad. Ibn ‘Aabideen al-Hanafi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in his Haashiyah (6/751): "In Kitaab al-Tahaarah of al-Siraaj al-Wahhaaj it says: Know that circumcision is Sunnah in our view – i.e., according to the Hanafis – for men and for women."
See: Mawaahib al-Jaleel, 3/259
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That circumcision is obligatory for men and is good and mustahabb for women. This is the third view of Imam Ahmad, and it is the view of some Maalikis such as Sahnoon. This view was also favoured by al-Muwaffaq ibn Qudaamah in al-Mughni.
See: al-Tamheed, 21/60; al-Mughni, 1/63
It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah (5/223):

"Circumcision is one of the Sunnahs of the fitrah, and it is for both males and females, except that is it obligatory for males and Sunnah and good in the case of women."
Thus it is clear that the fuqaha’ of Islam are agreed that circumcision is prescribed for both males and females, and in fact the majority of them are of the view that it is obligatory for both. No one said that it is not prescribed or that it is makrooh or haraam.


Secondly:


With regard to the criticism of circumcision by some doctors, and their claim that it is harmful both physically and psychologically,

This criticism of theirs is not valid. It is sufficient for us Muslims that something be proven to be from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), then we will follow it, and we are certain that it is beneficial and not harmful. If it were harmful, Allaah and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would not have prescribed it for us.

In the answer to question no. 45528 we have mentioned some of the medical benefits of circumcision for women, quoting from some doctors.


Thirdly:


We would add here the fatwas of some modern scholars who have responded to this war that has been launched against female circumcision on the grounds that it is harmful to health.

Shaykh Jaad al-Haqq ‘Ali Jaad al-Haqq, the former Shaykh of al-Azhar, said:

"Hence the fuqaha’ of all madhhabs are agreed that circumcision for both men and woman is part of the fitrah of Islam and one of the symbols of the faith, and it is something praiseworthy. There is no report from any of the Muslim fuqaha’, according to what we have studied in their books that are available to us, to say that circumcision is forbidden for men or women, or that it is not permissible, or that it is harmful for females, if it is done in the manner that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) taught to Umm Habeebah in the report quoted above."
Then he said:

"From the above it is clear that the circumcision of girls – which is the topic under discussion here – is part of the fitrah of Islam, and the way it is to be done is the method that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained. It is not right to abandon his teachings for the view of anyone else, even if that is a doctor, because medicine is knowledge and knowledge is always developing and changing."
In the fatwa of Shaykh ‘Atiyah Saqar – the former heard of the Fatwa Committee in al-Azhar – it says:

"The calls which urge the banning of female circumcision are call that go against Islam, because there is no clear text in the Qur’aan or Sunnah and there is no opinion of the fuqaha’ that says that female circumcision is haraam. Female circumcision is either obligatory or recommended. Even though there is a fiqhi principle which says that the decree of a ruler may put an end to a dispute regarding controversial matters, the decree of the ruler in this case cannot be but either of two things: that it is either obligatory or recommended, and it is not correct to issue a decree banning it, so as not to go against sharee’ah which is the principal source of legislation in our land, whose constitution states that Islam is the official religion of the country. It is permissible to issue some legislation that provides guidelines for performing this procedure (female circumcision) in the proper manner in such a way that does not contradict the rulings of sharee’ah.
The words of the doctors and others are not definitive. Scientific discoveries are still opening doors every day which change our old perceptions."
In the fatwa of Dar al-Ifta’ al-Misriyyah (6/1986) it says:

"Thus it is clear that female circumcision is prescribed in Islam, and that it is one of the Sunnahs of the fitrah and it has a good effect of moderating the individual’s behaviour. As for the opinions of doctors who say that female circumcision is harmful, these are individual opinions which are not derived from any agreed scientific basis, and they do not form an established scientific opinion. They acknowledge that the rates of cancer among circumcised men are lower than among those who are not circumcised, and some of these doctors clearly recommend that circumcision should be done by doctors and not these ignorant women, so that the operation will be safe and there will be no negative consequences. However, medical theories about disease and the way to treat it are not fixed, rather they change with time and with ongoing research. So it is not correct to rely on them when criticizing circumcision which the Wise and All-Knowing Lawgiver has decreed in His wisdom for mankind. Experience has taught us that the wisdom behind some rulings and Sunnahs may be hidden from us. May Allaah help us all to follow the right path."
Circumcision of girls and some doctors’ criticism thereof
Islam Q&A, Fatwa No. 60314


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I could go on but since you know your facts so well mothra I take it you learned something about islam this evening. No I take that back it has nothing to do with islam.  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yet your Christianity rant is moot with evidence. YOU take some loons and call them Christians to suit your hatred granny poo..



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Reply #74 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:24am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:21am:
The Jewish and Christian view on female genital mutilation

Abstract

Female genital mutilation (FGM) is a practice involving the removal of all or parts of the female external genitalia. It has been documented in 28 African countries and in some countries in Asia and the Middle East, but due to increasing immigration from these countries to the western world, FGM has become a worldwide human rights and health issue. Contrary to the belief that it is a practice carried out by Muslims only, it is also practiced by Christians and a minority group of Ethiopian Jews. However, FGM is neither mentioned in the Torah, nor in the Gospels, and – like in Islam – bodily mutilation is condemned by both religions. In fact, FGM is a mix of mainly cultural and social factors which may put tremendous pressure on the members of the society in question.


http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1110570413000258



However, FGM is neither mentioned in the Torah, nor in the Gospels, and – like in Islam – bodily mutilation is condemned by both religions.

Incorrect I just demonstrated islam above.

You have proven nothing about real Christians troll.
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