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Global warming melts massive Greenland glacier
Nov 13th, 2015 at 11:57am
 
It is melting in a very short time. Ten years. A portent of the future with sea level rise.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/weather/2015/11/12/greenland-glacier-melting-globa...

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A massive glacier in northeast Greenland has dramatically melted in the past decade and would raise global sea levels by a foot and a half if it thawed completely, according to a study published Thursday.

It was a "surprise" to learn how fast the large chunk of ice was shrinking, Jeremie Mouginot, lead scientist of the report, told USA TODAY in an email.

The glacier holds enough water to raise global sea levels by more than 18 inches if it were to melt away to nothing, but no timetable exists for how long that process could take, according to the study, published in the peer-reviewed journal Science.

"The glacier has profoundly transformed in only 10 years," Mouginot, of the University of California, Irvine, said. "The glacier is now breaking up and calving high volumes of icebergs into the ocean, which will result in rising sea levels for decades to come.
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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:00pm
 
Humans are flirting with human caused runaway global warming. Lets hope we haven't crossed the end game scenario yet and still have time to keep warming within the 1.5 degrees of heating.
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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:19pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:00pm:
Humans are flirting with human caused runaway global warming. Lets hope we haven't crossed the end game scenario yet and still have time to keep warming within the 1.5 degrees of heating.


My belief is that it is already too late. Massive systems like the earths ecology have a momentum which portends that change will not immediately stop when measures are taken to eliminate the causes of change.

The big key is whether there is positive feedback such as warming causing huge releases of methane which then accelerate warming further.
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:21pm
 
Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:19pm:
____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:00pm:
Humans are flirting with human caused runaway global warming. Lets hope we haven't crossed the end game scenario yet and still have time to keep warming within the 1.5 degrees of heating.


My belief is that it is already too late. Massive systems like the earths ecology have a momentum which portends that change will not immediately stop when measures are taken to eliminate the causes of change.

The big key is whether there is positive feedback such as warming causing huge releases of methane which then accelerate warming further.

If you Asians would stop breeding like rabbits the earth would be in a better state.
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:22pm
 
'Greenland's ice sheet appears to be growing faster this winter than in recent years, according to new data from the Danish Meteorological Institute.

This increased rate of ice accumulation follows a virtual standstill in the loss of mass from the huge ice sheet last year that was reported by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) of the US.'

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/greenlands-ice-sheet...

So if Greenland ice mass is increasing and one glacier is decreasing; what is the net effect? There is too little information available to determine.
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Reply #5 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:23pm
 
I'm not quite sure that article matches your first post, or that you misunderstood what the article is saying here.

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The glacier holds enough water to raise global sea levels by more than 18 inches if it were to melt away to nothing, but no timetable exists for how long that process could take


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The glacier is near a large one also melting rapidly but at a slower rate. The two chunks of ice make up 12% of the Greenland ice sheet and would boost global sea levels by more than 39 inches if they both totally collapsed, a process that would likely take centuries.


The ten years in the article refers to melting in the past ten years, not the next ten years.
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Reply #6 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:27pm
 
I wonder what the Greenland ice mass was, when inhabited and farmed by the Vikings.
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Reply #7 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:28pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
'Greenland's ice sheet appears to be growing faster this winter than in recent years, according to new data from the Danish Meteorological Institute.

This increased rate of ice accumulation follows a virtual standstill in the loss of mass from the huge ice sheet last year that was reported by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) of the US.'

http://www.reportingclimatescience.com/news-stories/article/greenlands-ice-sheet...

So if Greenland ice mass is increasing and one glacier is decreasing; what is the net effect? There is too little information available to determine.


If the glacier has shrunk of course the growth will be above average if measured in percent mass or volume because the denominator is smaller in the equation as the glacier shrinks.

If a glacier shrinks by 10% and then grows by 10% it will have lost 1% [0.99 = 10 x 0.9 x 1.1]. The effect is cumulative with time.
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Reply #8 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:38pm
 
Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:28pm:
If the glacier has shrunk of course the growth will be above average if measured in percent mass or volume because the denominator is smaller in the equation as the glacier shrinks.

If a glacier shrinks by 10% and then grows by 10% it will have lost 1% [0.99 = 10 x 0.9 x 1.1]. The effect is cumulative with time.



Quite correct. But the increasing ice mass is for all of Greenland, not just the glacier.
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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:11pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:28pm:
If the glacier has shrunk of course the growth will be above average if measured in percent mass or volume because the denominator is smaller in the equation as the glacier shrinks.

If a glacier shrinks by 10% and then grows by 10% it will have lost 1% [0.99 = 10 x 0.9 x 1.1]. The effect is cumulative with time.



Quite correct. But the increasing ice mass is for all of Greenland, not just the glacier.


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Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:11pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:28pm:
If the glacier has shrunk of course the growth will be above average if measured in percent mass or volume because the denominator is smaller in the equation as the glacier shrinks.

If a glacier shrinks by 10% and then grows by 10% it will have lost 1% [0.99 = 10 x 0.9 x 1.1]. The effect is cumulative with time.



Quite correct. But the increasing ice mass is for all of Greenland, not just the glacier.



Any increases are small fluctuation where as the glacier melt is due to a hotter ocean and air temps and is longer term.
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Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:14pm
 
lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:38pm:
Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:28pm:
If the glacier has shrunk of course the growth will be above average if measured in percent mass or volume because the denominator is smaller in the equation as the glacier shrinks.

If a glacier shrinks by 10% and then grows by 10% it will have lost 1% [0.99 = 10 x 0.9 x 1.1]. The effect is cumulative with time.



Quite correct. But the increasing ice mass is for all of Greenland, not just the glacier.


Actually, an error in my calculation. It should have been:

[0.99 = 1 x 0.9 x 1.1]
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Reply #12 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:18pm
 
Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:14pm:
Actually, an error in my calculation. It should have been:

[0.99 = 1 x 0.9 x 1.1]



I hadn't checked your figures, I was talking of the theory.

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
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So you disagree with the science?
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Reply #13 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:20pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
Any increases are small fluctuation where as the glacier melt is due to a hotter ocean and air temps and is longer term.



Can you provide a link to that?

I wrote-

'lee wrote on Nov 13th, 2015 at 12:22pm:
So if Greenland ice mass is increasing and one glacier is decreasing; what is the net effect? There is too little information available to determine.


But since you can determine that, you must have a link.
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Reply #14 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 1:38pm
 
Snow packs decreasing. This is already evident in USA.

Water shortages portended. Water shortage already happening in California USA.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2015/11/12/us-usa-climate-water-idINKCN0T10OO20151...

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Large swathes of the northern hemisphere, home to some 2 billion people, could suffer increasing water shortages due to shrinking snowpacks, researchers said on Thursday.

Data shows reduced snowpacks - the seasonal accumulation of snow - will likely imperil water supplies by 2060 in regions from California's farmlands to war-torn areas of the Middle East, according to a team of scientists in the United States and Europe.

In total, nearly a hundred water basins dependent on snow across the northern hemisphere run the chance of decline.

"Water managers in a lot of places may need to prepare for a world where the snow reservoir no longer exists," said Justin Mankin, the study's lead author and a researcher at Columbia University's Earth Institute in New York, in a statement.

Basins in northern and central California, the Ebro-Duero basin in Portugal, Spain and southern France and the Shatt al-Arab basin affecting much of the Middle East including Iraq and Syria count among those most sensitive to changes, the study shows.

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In these areas, global warming is disrupting snow accumulation, which acts as a seasonal source of water when it melts, the researchers said.

Still, across most of North America, northern Europe, Russia, China and southeast Asia, rainfall is projected to continue meeting demand, according to the study published in the online journal Environmental Research Letters.

Earlier this year, amid a devastating drought in California, U.S. authorities reported that a dry, mild winter had left the country's Western mountain snowpack at record low levels.

World leaders will meet in Paris starting this month in a bid to agree on ways to reduce the effects of climate change.

(Reporting by Sebastien Malo, Editing by Ellen Wulfhorst. Please credit the Thomson Reuters Foundation, the charitable arm of Thomson Reuters, that covers humanitarian news, women's rights, trafficking, corruption and climate change. Visit www.trust.org)
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