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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #15 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

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The lawyer gave advice in a court of law

In Australia when someone gives advice under a licensing arrangement then he/she is responsible and therefore liable for the consequences of that advice

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #16 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:41pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

The lawyer gave advice in a court of law

In Australia when someone gives advice under a licensing arrangement then he/she is responsible and therefore liable for the consequences of that advice

What a load of bullshit....The lawyer gave the right advice, as self defence would not be accepted by the court because the defendant initiated the physical altercation...The defendant is also free to reject this advice if they believe it will be detrimental to their case....Who is responsible for the safety and care of detainees.....The lawyer or the Government???

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59186 Here Gender:	Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death? Reply #17 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:27pm The guy was ruled to have been a genuine refugee and was still locked up in poor conditions 4 years later. Very surprising that he snapped.
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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #18 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #19 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

So authorities have no responsibility for people under their jurisdiction once they escape....Yet you blame the ALP for people drowning at sea despite it being their own choice knowing the risks....You also blame the ALP for pink batts deaths despite employers being responsible for OHS....You also have no idea what circumstances led to this mans death but place the blame on the deceased....Using your analogy once a prisoner escapes custody the authorities have nothing to answer for....So far all the deaths and rapes under the LNP have resulted in not one person being held to account apart from the victims!!!

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death? Reply #20 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:34pm Phil with the calm commonsense. This board needs you!
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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #21 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:38pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

So authorities have no responsibility for people under their jurisdiction once they escape....Yet you blame the ALP for people drowning at sea despite it being their own choice knowing the risks....You also blame the ALP for pink batts deaths despite employers being responsible for OHS....You also have no idea what circumstances led to this mans death but place the blame on the deceased....Using your analogy once a prisoner escapes custody the authorities have nothing to answer for....So far all the deaths and rapes under the LNP have resulted in not one person being held to account apart from the victims!!!

Huh

Top points for the passion, phil. Failing grade for the logic. You know what I mean, but you are so intent on having YOUR point that you deliberately minsinterpret what anyone says.

The guy is to blame himself.

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #22 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:59pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

So authorities have no responsibility for people under their jurisdiction once they escape....Yet you blame the ALP for people drowning at sea despite it being their own choice knowing the risks....You also blame the ALP for pink batts deaths despite employers being responsible for OHS....You also have no idea what circumstances led to this mans death but place the blame on the deceased....Using your analogy once a prisoner escapes custody the authorities have nothing to answer for....So far all the deaths and rapes under the LNP have resulted in not one person being held to account apart from the victims!!!

Huh

Top points for the passion, phil. Failing grade for the logic. You know what I mean, but you are so intent on having YOUR point that you deliberately minsinterpret what anyone says.

The guy is to blame himself.

How do you know....You do not even know how he died yet you blame him regardless....At least you did not try to blame the lawyer and just made baseless assumptions to support your claim....Everyone else's fault accept those who are responsible for the safety of detainees....This is becoming a pattern for the LNP!!!

Roll Eyes

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #23 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 7:12pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

So authorities have no responsibility for people under their jurisdiction once they escape....Yet you blame the ALP for people drowning at sea despite it being their own choice knowing the risks....You also blame the ALP for pink batts deaths despite employers being responsible for OHS....You also have no idea what circumstances led to this mans death but place the blame on the deceased....Using your analogy once a prisoner escapes custody the authorities have nothing to answer for....So far all the deaths and rapes under the LNP have resulted in not one person being held to account apart from the victims!!!

Huh

Top points for the passion, phil. Failing grade for the logic. You know what I mean, but you are so intent on having YOUR point that you deliberately minsinterpret what anyone says.

The guy is to blame himself.

How do you know....You do not even know how he died yet you blame him regardless....At least you did not try to blame the lawyer and just made baseless assumptions to support your claim....Everyone else's fault accept those who are responsible for the safety of detainees....This is becoming a pattern for the LNP!!!

Roll Eyes

You do not know how he died and yet you are blaming everyone ELSE.

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John Smith Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 75103 Gender:	Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death? Reply #24 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 7:30pm mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 7:12pm: You do not know how he died and yet you are blaming everyone ELSE. is he? where?
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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #25 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:52pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

The lawyer gave advice in a court of law

In Australia when someone gives advice under a licensing arrangement then he/she is responsible and therefore liable for the consequences of that advice

Quote the law that states this, bozzo. You have no idea what you're talking ahout.

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #26 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 8:57pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

You are acting like detention centres are for safety? Have you honestly become so thick, longie? Whats your logic here, that if a person decides to walk through a street at 3am and subsequently gets killed its their own fault? Ffs, we dont know how he died but we can sure bef that under most circumstances no one would suggest personal responsibility for an unnatural death.

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #27 - Nov 14^th, 2015 at 9:31pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 7:12pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:59pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:38pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 4:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 3:40pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 2:14pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 1:11pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14^th, 2015 at 11:19am:

The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes

If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault

Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

Smiley

Only so far. Past that point people are responsible for themselves and when they escape and die, the fault is theirs

So authorities have no responsibility for people under their jurisdiction once they escape....Yet you blame the ALP for people drowning at sea despite it being their own choice knowing the risks....You also blame the ALP for pink batts deaths despite employers being responsible for OHS....You also have no idea what circumstances led to this mans death but place the blame on the deceased....Using your analogy once a prisoner escapes custody the authorities have nothing to answer for....So far all the deaths and rapes under the LNP have resulted in not one person being held to account apart from the victims!!!

Huh

Top points for the passion, phil. Failing grade for the logic. You know what I mean, but you are so intent on having YOUR point that you deliberately minsinterpret what anyone says.

The guy is to blame himself.

How do you know....You do not even know how he died yet you blame him regardless....At least you did not try to blame the lawyer and just made baseless assumptions to support your claim....Everyone else's fault accept those who are responsible for the safety of detainees....This is becoming a pattern for the LNP!!!

Roll Eyes

You do not know how he died and yet you are blaming everyone ELSE.

Have a geek at the title and who posted it ?

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #28 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:30am

Lets take this back several notches

Stage 1
He was given refugee status and issued a VISA

Stage 2
He was involved in an assault

Stage 3
His lawyer advised him to plea guilty even though a guilty plea meant he would lose his VISA

Stage 4
As the result of his guilty plea he fails the character test and lose his VISA

Stage 5
VISA revoked and he was kept in detention for deportation

Stage 6
He tried to escape and died. Investigations underway for cause of death

The point of this thread is - in Stage 3 his lawyer failed him.

Lefties continue to focus on Stage 6

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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #29 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 12:50am

We need to accept that this isn't even about refugees at all really, nobody really gives a f--ckin fat rats arse about the refugees, Left or Right, this is 100% about politics, just like everything else in life, the only thing we think about when those reffo dregs are sailing over the horizon is how is this going to help my political position. Sad

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