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Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Nov 13th, 2015 at 10:42pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-13/who-was-christmas-island-refugee-fazel-che...

As investigators piece together how this week's riot on Christmas Island unfolded, a clearer picture of the man whose death prompted the destruction is also starting to emerge.

Iranian Kurd, Fazel Chegeni, arrived by boat in Australia four years ago to seek asylum.

He was granted refugee status but was held in the Curtin Detention Centre for final security checks before being granted a visa.

It was there an incident occurred that shaped the rest of his life.

Mr Chegeni was involved in a fight inside the detention centre's canteen.

CCTV vision obtained by 7.30 shows Mr Chegeni pushing another detainee who then hits him with a plate.

The fight then degenerates into a brawl.

It is all over in less than a minute, but the brawl condemned Mr Chegeni to never being settled in Australia.

More than a year later, Mr Chegeni and four other men were charged with assault.

His solicitor, Matthew Wilson, said a strategic decision at the trial backfired, sealing Mr Chegeni's fate.

After initially entering a plea of not guilty, the five men changed their plea on legal advice when it appeared that the court was unlikely to be sympathetic to their argument of self-defence.

"Fazel and our other four clients elected to plead guilty, allowing them to express their remorse for their involvement in the fight and throw themselves at the full mercy of the court," Mr Wilson said.

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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2015 at 10:49pm
 
http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Matthew-Wilson/463663917

Matthew holds a Bachelor of Arts (History and Literature Major) and a Bachelor of Laws with Deans Honours from Deakin University.

Matthew joined Robert Stary Lawyers in April 2011, having worked previously at Slater and Gordon Lawyers and the Australian Council of Trade Unions.

Matthew has held volunteer positions at the Western Suburbs Legal Service and the Asylum Seeker Resource Centre.
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Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 5:17am
 
Doesn't surprise me one bit. These people need to learn that they can't behave like criminals just because they're growing impatient. They'll never be settled here.
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Reply #3 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:25am
 
The Libs never take responsibility for their failure.

It's always someone else's fault.
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Reply #4 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:41am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:25am:
The Libs never take responsibility for their failure.

It's always someone else's fault.


What failure num nuts ? Wink Wink
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Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:54am
 
aussie100percent wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:25am:
The Libs never take responsibility for their failure.

It's always someone else's fault.


What failure num nuts ? Wink Wink





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everything mate everything....to hear dna and kat whinge and whine their lives have been in purgatory since 2013....

dna is now desperate after the expose of the unions in the witch hunt... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so this is all he has got be kind to him...... his lot want to bring back the boats.. IMAGINE>.. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 8:25am
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:54am:
aussie100percent wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:25am:
The Libs never take responsibility for their failure.

It's always someone else's fault.


What failure num nuts ? Wink Wink





hahahahaha


everything mate everything....to hear dna and kat whinge and whine their lives have been in purgatory since 2013....

dna is now desperate after the expose of the unions in the witch hunt... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so this is all he has got be kind to him...... his lot want to bring back the boats.. IMAGINE>.. Grin Grin Grin Grin


Maybe they want to enter them into The America's Cup..........where is Alan Bond when ya need him?  Grin Grin
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Re: Leftist lawyers responsible for refugee's death?
Reply #7 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 8:56am
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:54am:
aussie100percent wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:25am:
The Libs never take responsibility for their failure.

It's always someone else's fault.


What failure num nuts ? Wink Wink





hahahahaha


everything mate everything....to hear dna and kat whinge and whine their lives have been in purgatory since 2013....

dna is now desperate after the expose of the unions in the witch hunt... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so this is all he has got be kind to him...... his lot want to bring back the boats.. IMAGINE>.. Grin Grin Grin Grin


SHAME LABOR SHAME

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Reply #8 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 9:07am
 
cods wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:54am:
aussie100percent wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:41am:
Dnarever wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 7:25am:
The Libs never take responsibility for their failure.

It's always someone else's fault.


What failure num nuts ? Wink Wink





hahahahaha


everything mate everything....to hear dna and kat whinge and whine their lives have been in purgatory since 2013....

dna is now desperate after the expose of the unions in the witch hunt... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes... so this is all he has got be kind to him...... his lot want to bring back the boats.. IMAGINE>.. Grin Grin Grin Grin


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Reply #9 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 11:19am
 
The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #10 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:29pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 11:19am:
The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

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And it is not the man himself's fault?
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Reply #11 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:42pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 11:19am:
The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   


And it is not the man himself's fault?


Its the Leftists , the lawyer and then his own fault - yep everyone except for the people responsible for holding him with the legal duty of care responsibility.

As I said it is always someone else's fault.
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Reply #12 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:58pm
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 12:29pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 11:19am:
The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   


And it is not the man himself's fault?


I would point to the outrage from the right about the deaths under the pink batts scheme where the right placed the entire blame on the Labor Government despite contractors having OHS responsibilities that they failed to uphold....I would also like to point out that the OP placed the blame on a lawyer for giving advise which was correct....Blaming the deceased man without any information to form an opinion is bullshit in the extreme....The Federal Government is fully responsible for people under their care!!!

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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 1:11pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 11:19am:
The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   


If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

FFS - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault
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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2015 at 2:14pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 1:11pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 14th, 2015 at 11:19am:
The lawyer was correct to advise the men to plead guilty....Initiating the physical altercation would negate the self defence argument and diminish any argument of remorse....How the man escaped the detention centre and was later found dead is the responsibility of the Federal Government and staff at the detention centre!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes   


If he didn't try to escape then he would still be alive

So the lefties will say - when escaped he didn't anticipate on dying or anticipate his risk of death would increase

for goodness sake - take personal responsibility!!

It's always someone else's fault


Really....Yet here you are blaming the lawyer and then the victim....It is always someone else's fault when the LNP are involved accept those charged with the responsibility of their safety and care....How do you reconcile this with the outrage of the pink batt deaths where you placed full responsibility on the Labor Federal Government....The LNP are responsible for the safety of detainees under their care not a bloody lawyer???

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