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Reply #120 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:33pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!

Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.

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Reply #121 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

its quite amazing herb. even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide.
Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse

What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions.

Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords - so we shouldn't be too optimistic about their abilities.

The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam. This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.

Your frame of reference is WWII. Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. This was a completely different form of industrial warfare. The force with the biggest army, the biggest labour force and the access to the most resources prevailed.

John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.

If there is one lesson from our experience in recent wars, this is it.

We lost.

part of my definition of success.

"the ability to go from one failure to the next and maintain your enthusiasm " Wink

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Reply #122 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC.

No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC.

For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge.

Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes.

he should sign copies and sell them on ebay. they would finance the war effort

You don’t sell propaganda, Aquascoot. You give it away.

when people try to give horses away , no one will take them.
put $1000 on them and suddenly people want them.
strange hey Wink

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Reply #123 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:17pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:46pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:40pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:01pm:

the other thing is herb, that vlad doesnt care about PC.

No, dear, Vlad just has a different version of PC.

For Putin, Political Correctness is the Warsaw Pact, Russian-dominated Eastern Europe and Central Asia, and the KGB back in charge.

Russia might have taken down its images of Lenin and Stalin. But they've replaced them with footage of Putin riding shirtless through the Russian steppes.

he should sign copies and sell them on ebay. they would finance the war effort

You don’t sell propaganda, Aquascoot. You give it away.

when people try to give horses away , no one will take them.
put $1000 on them and suddenly people want them.
strange hey Wink

It certainly is, Aquascoot. Mao’s little red book and ads for war bonds fetch a pretty price these days.

The royals had the right idea - they sold all their silly royal wedding plates and tea towels.

These days, they’re worthless, but Lizzie’s the richest broad on the planet.

After Gina, of course.

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Reply #124 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:59pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.

This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.

They can, but it all depends on the politicians back home taking the brakes off political correctness and the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Vietnam and Iraq had swarms of Western Leftwing journalists trawling these countries for anti-US and anti-Western atrocity stories. Beat-ups were the currency of the day. The Guardian, the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald and others pleaded with their journalists to send footage that would throw the worst possible light on the allied troops.

And they obliged in spades.

These journalists have yet to be brought to justice.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan.

Rabid nonsense, of course, but being an anti-Western Lefty I'm quite sure you cherish that myth as no doubt you also cherish the prospect of Western civilisation being trodden underfoot in Europe by the Mohammedans.

It was the relentless day-and-night bombing of Germany by the US and the Brits that gutted the arms factories, the transportation networks (Dresden was an important hub), and laid waste to much of Germany that allowed the Russians a fairly easy advance into the heartland and finally Berlin.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.

The Politics of The Willing - yes, I'll agree with that. If this Paris incident has proven anything, it's that the French leadership has until now been practicing the Politics of The Unwilling while mouthing assurances to their citizens.

Hollande nearly got his arse burnt - and as I've said time and time again - until politicians themselves are put in danger their efforts will remain half-hearted and full of apologist platitudes and rhetoric just as Turnbull has excelled at since this Paris bombing.

I'm wondering if there are many hijabs being worn in Paris lately, and are they still having those prayer meetings in the streets?

I don't know what you're smoking nowadays, but you might think of using a filter or suckng through cleansing water in a hookah pipe apparatus. (Consult Marla for the details).

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Reply #125 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:03pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:02pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:59pm:

its quite amazing herb. even a softco*k like Clinton went into bosnia when there was a whiff of genocide.
Barak is probably too busy washing the dishes and doing the other household chores Michelle has pinned to the fridge to go into syria where there is something magnitudes worse

What is needed is a Donald Trump and a Vlad Putin partnership to put every Special Forces commando and every Russian Spetsnaz trooper on the ground with instructions to surround and demolish ISIS positions.

Mind you, the Russians failed badly in Afghanistan against goat-herders, poppy farmers, and War Lords - so we shouldn't be too optimistic about their abilities.

The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam. This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.

Your frame of reference is WWII. Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan. This was a completely different form of industrial warfare. The force with the biggest army, the biggest labour force and the access to the most resources prevailed.

John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.

If there is one lesson from our experience in recent wars, this is it.

We lost.

part of my definition of success.

"the ability to go from one failure to the next and maintain your enthusiasm " Wink

In Alcoholics Anonymous, the willingness to repeat the same mistakes over and over again is known as insanity.

Bottoms up, dear.

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Reply #127 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

leftards just dont understand the world.
it makes one roll ones eyes.

i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin.

Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused.

Vlad joining this war was the defining moment.

ISIS are fecked now.

being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs.
But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo.

I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is.

There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama.

The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east.....

Blahahahaha

Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life.

i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more.

vlad was in the special forces.

i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot.

you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls Wink

http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/about/staff/profiles/paul.mcgreevy.php
You mean like this guy aquascoot?

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #128 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

leftards just dont understand the world.
it makes one roll ones eyes.

i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin.

Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused.

Vlad joining this war was the defining moment.

ISIS are fecked now.

being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs.
But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo.

I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is.

There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama.

The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east.....

Blahahahaha

Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life.

i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more.

vlad was in the special forces.

i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot.

you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls Wink

http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/about/staff/profiles/paul.mcgreevy.php
You mean like this guy aquascoot?

great link .
i'm going to read his Ph D on the impact of rider technique on horse welfare...cheers

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Reply #129 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:24pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:59pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

The Russians failed badly in Afghanistan, just as Uncle failed badly in Vietnam.

This is the lesson of the late 20th century: conventional forces can’t defeat guerilla forces.

They can, but it all depends on the politicians back home taking the brakes off political correctness and the Marquis of Queensbury rules. Vietnam and Iraq had swarms of Western Leftwing journalists trawling these countries for anti-US and anti-Western atrocity stories. Beat-ups were the currency of the day. The Guardian, the ABC, The Sydney Morning Herald and others pleaded with their journalists to send footage that would throw the worst possible light on the allied troops.

And they obliged in spades.

These journalists have yet to be brought to justice.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

Here, Russia conquered Germany and the US got Japan.

Rabid nonsense, of course, but being an anti-Western Lefty I'm quite sure you cherish that myth as no doubt you also cherish the prospect of Western civilisation being trodden underfoot in Europe by the Mohammedans.

It was the relentless day-and-night bombing of Germany by the US and the Brits that gutted the arms factories, the transportation networks (Dresden was an important hub), and laid waste to much of Germany that allowed the Russians a fairly easy advance into the heartland and finally Berlin.

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:29pm:

John Wayne is dead, Herb. Modern war is about commitment, agility, but most importantly, politics. Brute force no longer cuts it.

The Politics of The Willing - yes, I'll agree with that. If this Paris incident has proven anything, it's that the French leadership has until now been practicing the Politics of The Unwilling while mouthing assurances to their citizens.

Hollande nearly got his arse burnt - and as I've said time and time again - until politicians themselves are put in danger their efforts will remain half-hearted and full of apologist platitudes and rhetoric just as Turnbull has excelled at since this Paris bombing.

I'm wondering if there are many hijabs being worn in Paris lately, and are they still having those prayer meetings in the streets?

I don't know what you're smoking nowadays, but you might think of using a filter or suckng through cleansing water in a hookah pipe apparatus. (Consult Marla for the details).

Yes, Herbie, they said all this in WWI. We just need more resolve, more courage. Stiff upper lip, what.

And yet, no matter how many men you sent into the machine guns, the lines never changed.

We’ve now been fighting the war on terror in one form or another for three times the duration of the war to end all wars. And yet, we’ve achieved nothing.

This isn’t the failure of the rules, it’s the failure of war itself. We dropped more TNT on Indochina than was used by both sides in WWII. If you think this is restraint or some form of PC enemy-appeasing, you must be shell shocked.

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Reply #130 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:24pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:23pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:11pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:08pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

leftards just dont understand the world.
it makes one roll ones eyes.

i remember years ago watching an interview between Paul Mcartney and Vlad Putin.

Mcartney was going on and on about landmines and there was such a disconnect. Vlad honestly rolled his eyes and just looked bemused.

Vlad joining this war was the defining moment.

ISIS are fecked now.

being the bullies that they are, its pretty easy pickings to pick on beta's like the frogs.
But they picked the wrong home-boy when they shot down a russian jumbo.

I doubt Vlad knows what a minutes silence , 3 days of mourning or a candlelight vigil is.

There are still a few stallions on earth to look after those beta horses like Obama.

The russian military upstaging the yanks in the middle east.....

Blahahahaha

Yes, because you've clearly displayed the understanding, that decades of involvement of diplomacy, careful study and consultation can only give ones outlook on life.

i would say that anyone who has spent decades studying and consulting should get outside more.

vlad was in the special forces.

i imagine obama has a degree in political science or some such rot.

you could study and consult people on how to ride a horse for 20 years and you wouldnt be as good as a 10 year old girl who got out there and had a few falls Wink

http://sydney.edu.au/vetscience/about/staff/profiles/paul.mcgreevy.php
You mean like this guy aquascoot?

great link .
i'm going to read his Ph D on the impact of rider technique on horse welfare...cheers

Lol damn his 20 years of study

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In a time of universal deceit — telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

No evidence whatsoever it can be attributed to George Orwell or Eric Arthur Blair (in fact the same guy)

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Reply #133 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:55pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!

Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.

.. as long as they set up the recruiting and training facilities in a clearly defined area..... I'm OK with this...... perhaps the UN could mandate a specific IS area.. let them flock there......

Bomb Em All - Let Allah Sort Em Out!

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Reply #134 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:51pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

As to Vlad being “an alpha male” because he conducts a bigger air campaign, oh please!

Size does matter. Just ask the people of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

If the bombing is a softening up process, then okay. But if these bombings aren't followed up with boots-on-the-ground, then ISIS numbers will return with the recruiting of more insurgents.

Air warfare alone cannot win a war. It can be argued that it was not the two A bombs that got Japan to surrender but the fact the Russians were on the way to seize some Japanese islands.

Instead of us charging in and making things worse (losing the peace) why not help the Kurds by supplying them the heavy weapons they lack?

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