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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm The Americans and Aussies lost the Vietnam war because they couldn't tell the difference between a Viet Cong and an ally Vietnamese So how do we tell the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim?
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Re: Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists
Reply #1 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:42pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

The Americans and Aussies lost the Vietnam war because they couldn't tell the difference between a Viet Cong and an ally Vietnamese

So how do we tell the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim?

That is easy!

When the moslem in the street, smiles to your face, .....you know for sure, that he is a friendly moderate.

But when a knife suddenly appears in his hand, ....and he is raising that knife [in his hand] to your throat, .....THEN, you can be sure that he was really a moslem, all along!

Google;
ISIS calls for lone wolf attacks in West, with knives, guns

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ISIS calls for spontaneous attacks in West, with knives, guns

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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Taqiyya

“Speaking is a means to achieve objectives. If a praiseworthy aim is attainable through both telling the truth and lying, it is unlawful to accomplish it through lying because there is no need for it. When it is possible to achieve such an aim by lying but not by telling the truth, it is permissible to lie if attaining the goal is permissible..., and obligatory to lie if the goal is obligatory. ...One should compare the bad consequences entailed by lying to those entailed by telling the truth, and if the consequences of telling the truth are more damaging, one is entitled to lie…”

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taqiyya - the muslim doctrine of deceit

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July 28, 2006
Islamic Dictionary for Infidels

...Robert Spencer, ..."Religious deception of unbelievers is indeed taught by the Qur'an itself: "Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them" (Qur'an 3:28). In other words, don't make friends with unbelievers except to "guard yourselves from them": pretend to be their friends so that you can strengthen yourself against them. The distinguished Qur'anic commentator Ibn Kathir explains that this verse teaches that if "believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers," they may "show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly."

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A Study in Muslim Doctrine

"...while sincere friendship with non-Muslims is forbidden,

insincere friendship - whenever beneficial to Muslims - is not."

http://www.meforum.org/2512/nidal-hasan-fort-hood-muslim-doctrine

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we smile to the face "while our hearts curse them"

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What, is a moslem ????????

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Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ?????????

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists
Reply #2 - Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:44pm

One of many elements that set the Vietnam War apart from other wars up until that point was drug use, which was rampant among soldiers. Marijuana was grown all over Vietnam, and many soldiers had their first experiences smoking it overseas. It helped them mellow out, it helped them continue fighting. It took their mind off what the war was about and helped if they didn'tt necessarily believe in the cause for which they fought. In The Things They Carried, drug use is treated matter of factly: it is another not-too-wonderful strategy for trying not to see what is going on around the users. Some soldiers have religion, others have girlfriends waiting for them at home, others have dope.

Although smoking marijuana -- the drug of choice among soldiers -- was a punishable offense under army rules, many soldiers still indulged. Precise statistics are not available, but army records suggest that marijuana use at the time was much more widespread in Vietnam itself than it was in the United States. After outraged, sympathetic and bemused newspaper reports drew international interest to the issue, the southern Vietnamese government took steps to make marijuana harder to obtain in 1968. The problem was soon overshadowed, though, by the rise of heroin as a popular drug among soldiers.

http://www.gradesaver.com/the-things-they-carried/study-guide/marijuana-and-hero...

Cut back on your heroin habit?

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Re: Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists
Reply #3 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:25am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

The Americans and Aussies lost the Vietnam war because they couldn't tell the difference between a Viet Cong and an ally Vietnamese

So how do we tell the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim?

Simple. The radical ones are those shooting at you.

I understood the USA policy was that every dead Muslim that refuse to identify themselves as non-combatant civilians are terrorists. Even infants.

Let us not lose our heads over this issue.

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Re: Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists
Reply #4 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 2:33am

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

The Americans and Aussies lost the Vietnam war because they couldn't tell the difference between a Viet Cong and an ally Vietnamese

So how do we tell the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim?

Simple. The radical ones are those shooting at you.

I understood the USA policy was that every dead Muslim that refuse to identify themselves as non-combatant civilians are terrorists. Even infants.

Let us not lose our heads over this issue.

The ones losing their heads are the ones wear the vests

Even if what you say about the US is true - the other side is does not pay attention to the rules so why should we?

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Re: Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists
Reply #5 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 4:15am

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

The Americans and Aussies lost the Vietnam war because they couldn't tell the difference between a Viet Cong and an ally Vietnamese

So how do we tell the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim?

Simple. The radical ones are those shooting at you.

Grin

hilarious.. sorry but we have to look on the funny side at some stage....

I understood the USA policy was that every dead Muslim that refuse to identify themselves as non-combatant civilians are terrorists. Even infants.

Let us not lose our heads over this issue.

the yanks have the right approach.. shoot first ask questions after...just ask any policeman.

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Re: Lessons from the Vietnam war and terrorists
Reply #6 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 4:16am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 2:33am:

Sun Tzu wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 15^th, 2015 at 9:07pm:

The Americans and Aussies lost the Vietnam war because they couldn't tell the difference between a Viet Cong and an ally Vietnamese

So how do we tell the difference between a Muslim and a Radical Muslim?

Simple. The radical ones are those shooting at you.

I understood the USA policy was that every dead Muslim that refuse to identify themselves as non-combatant civilians are terrorists. Even infants.

Let us not lose our heads over this issue.

The ones losing their heads are the ones wear the vests

Even if what you say about the US is true - the other side is does not pay attention to the rules so why should we?

last I heard macca we dont>>>>.....at least thats the way they see it... Sad

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