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Reply #15 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:25am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I bet most of the EU leaders are feeling rather stupid for letting in these people. Should've listened to Tony when he gave the Thatcher speech. He foresaw this happening long before anyone else did.

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Reply #16 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:26am

I find the idea of taking in foreigners intriguing.

My herd (ive got about 35 and plenty of land), people will often ask me to "take a horse"
usually its been half starved or abused and its off to the doggers.
Should i take it?
being compassionate i used to take a lot.
But some , especially the dysfunctional ones, can really upset the whole herd.
You really gain nothing by doing it (if you are a pragmatist).
It either gives you an extra mouth to feed or is a disruptive pest,
Even retraining it , you already have 30 or so you are trying to keep educated so you often dont have the time to do proper re education.

i have had a couple who i retrained and they turned out super (and they were eventually re homed, which would seem the ideal).
But on any risk/benefit analysis, i would say that taking in strays , particularly if you are already in a happy place , is more risk then benefit.

If young people with lots of energy want to take in a stray or two and they have the time for it...well and good.
But the young do-gooders (say in the green party), they want to take in the strays , but they lose interest way too quickly and its guys like me that end up having to do all the retraining and we are already busy enough

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #17 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:27am

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yes.

Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians.

By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated.

You are a racist Green and unpatriotic

You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come.
The majority of Jews Refugees are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

You don't even need a minority

Apparently you only need 2 as France found out

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #18 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:30am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yes.

Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians.

By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated.

You are a racist Green and unpatriotic

You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come.
The majority of Jews Refugees ar

e not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Austral

You don't even need a minority

Apparently you only need 2 as France found out

2 is a minority sweetie.

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #19 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:27am:

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:23am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yes.

Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians.

By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated.

You are a racist Green and unpatriotic

You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

Nazi Germany, Australian Style, here we come.
The majority of Jews Refugees are not baddies ... and we have protection mechanisms to weed out the odd one not suitable for Australia.

You don't even need a minority

Apparently you only need 2 as France found out

I'm pretty sure 2 is a minority, in this case.

Check with Longy, though. Year 9 maths, innit?

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #20 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #21 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

thats an interesting arguement.
when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe.

how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow.

if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #22 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:13am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

thats an interesting arguement.
when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe.

how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow.

if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

They were cows, not people and frankly mad cow scares me more than terrorists do.

But it's largely irrelevant because it's not as though you would stop or significantly reduce terrorist attacks by limiting refugees numbers. That's the rub.

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #23 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:16am

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

Fatima Elomar, wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, admits providing support for foreign fighters

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Fatima Elomar arrives at court
Photo: Fatima Elomar has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge. (AAP: David Moir)

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Fatima Elomar, the wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge.

Elomar pleaded guilty to providing support for Islamic State during a brief appearance at Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Monday.

Elomar was arrested by counter-terrorism officials in May last year as she tried to board a flight to Malaysia with her four children.

Counter-terrorism police alleged she was carrying cash, camouflage equipment and medical supplies at the time.

She will be sentenced on April 1 next year.

Her husband is believed to have been killed in June while fighting in Iraq.

More to come.

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #24 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:17am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

thats an interesting arguement.
when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe.

how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow.

if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

Comparing people with cattle with bovine spongiform encephalopathy
Reflects more on you than anyone else.

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 58645 Here Gender:	Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris? Reply #25 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:19am Quote: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris? Yes maybe we should increase the number to take pressure off of other countries and give them a better chance to correctly asses the people that they take.
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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #26 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:19am

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:17am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

thats an interesting arguement.
when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe.

how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow.

if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

Comparing people with cattle with bovine spongiform encephalopathy
Reflects more on you than anyone else.

It's a welcome change from horses, though.

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #27 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:21am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:06am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

we should import those female kurdish fighters battling ISIS and set them loose in australia to hunt down any ISIS supporters.

Hey they could hang the green poo pusher! Wink

We could put them up at Sarah Hanson-Dumb's place!

Anyone who spent years supporting Tony Abbott can hardly afford to call anyone dumb.

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Reply #28 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:13am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:00am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:33am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

I wonder how Merkel is feeling today - stupid woman.

I suspect, like most people probably horrified and angry.

Harping on about refugees is pretty ordinary though, the number likely to be terrorists is tiny. Even if we believe ISIS and they have 4000 gunmen, that's less than 1% of the refugees.

The fact is that terrorism does not require large numbers of people, and can happen without large groups of refugees just as easily, as they have before, and likely will again.

thats an interesting arguement.
when the british beef herd had a dozen cows with mad cow disease and 4 humans with it, they slaughtered over 2 million cattle to keep their population safe.

how much more dangerous is the threat of terrorism then the threat of mad cow.

if i said to britain, i have 1000 cattle for sale and the vast majority dont have mad cow disease, do you think they would take them ?

They were cows, not people and frankly mad cow scares me more than terrorists do.

But it's largely irrelevant because it's not as though you would stop or significantly reduce terrorist attacks by limiting refugees numbers. That's the rub.

I think my point is that governments (and populations) are usually SO risk averse nowadays.
the slightest risk and they dont want anything to do with it.
I'll bet the greens are trying to terrify people about where to put our "nuclear" waste dump (which will hold a tiny bit of medical waste) and which poses no threat at all.
But there clearly IS a threat (even if small) in importing syrians.
i think thats fairly evident.

I'm all for importing people, i say that all the time.

danish and german engineers
American IT specialists
South east asian business people.
I couldnt care if they are muslim or not.
If microsoft has an IT genius who is a muslim and wants to create a start-up. i'll pick him up at the airport, he can marry my daughter.

But we should have the right to be very selective
As consumers, shopping in the migrant market, we should be getting the best of the best.
Like breeding horses
cross the best with the best and hope for the best

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Re: Should We Honor Refugee Pledge in Light of Paris?
Reply #29 - Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:11am:

____ wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 10:01am:

Yes.

Suspect part of the reason France / West was attacked was to try and turn Westerners against Syrians.

By turning away from assisting refugees, we are being manipulated by IS and so are losing the battle of ideas. Our values must stand firm otherwise we are already defeated.

You are a racist Green and unpatriotic

You hate Australians preferring to protect non-citizens

So now you think that in order to be patriotic we need to sell out our Australian Values and cower to the wishes of ISIS ?

Your words are less patriotic than you seem to think.

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