Dnarever wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:23am:




Fatima Elomar, wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, admits providing support for foreign fighters

Updated 9 minutes ago


Fatima Elomar arrives at court
Photo: Fatima Elomar has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge. (AAP: David Moir)

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Fatima Elomar, the wife of Islamic State terrorist Mohamed Elomar, has pleaded guilty to a terrorism charge.

Elomar pleaded guilty to providing support for Islamic State during a brief appearance at Sydney's Downing Centre Local Court on Monday.

Elomar was arrested by counter-terrorism officials in May last year as she tried to board a flight to Malaysia with her four children.

Counter-terrorism police alleged she was carrying cash, camouflage equipment and medical supplies at the time.

She will be sentenced on April 1 next year.

Her husband is believed to have been killed in June while fighting in Iraq.

More to come.

Topics: courts-and-trials, sydney-2000

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However, humans are not cattles, as we have seen in world war 2. 

Anyway, this is actually a really interesting question.  By reaction, we should be closing the borders, stop refugee intake, as per many of our ultra conservative politicians.  But, I think, we a smart group we need to think a bit deeper.  Now, I am in no way in support of ISIL at way.  But merely going at this from an emotionless point of view.

First is that what ISIL is hoping to achieve?  Okay, we know that the US (with allies like Australia) have superficially (at least) contained the advancement of ISIL.   In fact, many Western Media have reported ISIL was on the decline.   So to change this around, ISIL need to show strongly to the world that it is still here, open for business as usual, and at the same time, trying to get more recruits - which are their lifeblood.

And how do they get more recruits?  Well, through fear and chaos.
1)  This attack strike at the heart of the Western Civilization.  It shakes our belief that war in Syria are just that, and it cannot affect us.   
2)  The attack motivates the marginalized and closet radicalized individuals.
3)  This attack will divide the community.   It is ISIL's hope that there will be more  resentment against the largely innocent and law abiding Muslim communities around the world.   They will hope for retaliation attacks against Muslim targets, and hence, starting cycles of violence and hatred.  And through this more recruits to their cause.
4)  They also... I must say cleverly left Syrian passports (implying that they are refugees).  Now, think about this for a moment.  As the news reported, most of the attackers blew themselves up.  So they are not planning to survive this.  To me, carrying a passport of all things does not serve any purpose.  Now, I believe the main purpose in this instance is to try to alienate the Syrian refugees.   

My guess that there may be more attacks around Europe in coming months, and they will try to implicate the refugees.  Such that, through fear and chaos, a few prominent hard right wing politicians will emerge - I suppose similar to rise of Adolf Hitler in Germany pre WW2.    And who knows what will happen next. 

I believe, fight against ISIL is tied not only to its own progress, but also the peaceful resolution of the Syrian refugee crisis, and unfortunately the two are intricately tied together. 

My question is that, is our intake of 12000 refugees going to be enough to help resolve the crisis.  If yes, then do it.  If not, then perhaps reduce the quota, increase security screening.  At the same time, prepare for inevitable instability in Europe. 

Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:30am:


You're welcome to that view point, but I disagree, and it won't be implemented anyway

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:35am:
Aren't they already here??

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:25am:



Why reply to my post with this irrelevant information ?

Or if you feel there is relevance to the posts in this conversation what is it ?

Karnal wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:40am:
I heard that most of them will be ethnic minority Christians and a minority Shia Muslims.

aussie100percent wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:25am:


The real story has yet to come.

It will be how she's given a pathetically minimal sentence because ...

1) Her children need her.

2) She had been 'mislead' by her now-deceased husband.

3) The Muslim Community will rally around her and tell the court she's a woman of good character who was only obeying her husband as a good Muslim wife and mother to his children.

And the final clincher ... which every judge LOVES to hear ..

4) She's sincerely remorseful ... and is a first time offender ... and is a minority ethnic ... and as a Muslim she is by default a victim of Australian racist and Islamophobic attitudes ... and ... and ... and ...

I doubt that she'll get a jail sentence at all.

She'll be seen shopping in Lakemba any day soon now, wearing various Muslim garb to announce to all and sundry her piety, and her moral excellence, and her 'modesty'.

double plus good wrote on Nov 16^th, 2015 at 11:44am:


You probably heard a lot of things. That's because Abbott's policy announcement was aimed at the Corey Bernardis in his party.

We're not screening for religion, we're asking for at-risk minority groups.