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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47267 Gender:	Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks Reply #15 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:35am We have coal, we have iron ore, we have steelmakers. No need to import steel except for some specialised stuff etc.
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Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks
Reply #16 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:38am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:35am:

We have coal, we have iron ore, we have steelmakers. No need to import steel except for some specialised stuff etc.

tell that to the BLOODY greens and the CLIMATE CHANGE MOB

the mines have been closed.. ITS WHAT THE POLLS WANT...get you head out of your pudding basin monk... and get up to date...everyone is allowed to MINE

JUST NOT Australia....

it makes sense to some.

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Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks
Reply #17 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:04am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

So market conditions are at fault.

There is too much steel on the market, so they can't sell enough at this point.

Why people are are trying to say this has to do with politicians, I'm not sure.

Haven't noticed the price going down in this glut supply market..........

Just saying.... must be some for of tariff barrier in place.. privately installed ones that say the supplier simply cannot provide at a lower price..... funny how that works....

A government tariff is vilified, but a private one is just fine, it seems...

Just opening your eyes a little, people.......

Their words not mine. Perhaps they just suck at business.

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Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks
Reply #18 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:24am

cods wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Libs are really destroying the economy and that IS a fact!

all in two year not bad... get real you guys... get real...blame blame blame... our steel industry was given a MASSIVE blow with CARBON TAX>..

but lets all forget that bit. Roll Eyes

It's not the carbon tax. It's falling commodity prices. It's the market.

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Reply #19 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:50am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

cods wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Libs are really destroying the economy and that IS a fact!

all in two year not bad... get real you guys... get real...blame blame blame... our steel industry was given a MASSIVE blow with CARBON TAX>..

but lets all forget that bit. Roll Eyes

It's not the carbon tax. It's falling commodity prices. It's the market.

It is an economy in recession. A strong stimulus program of building productive infrastructure would employ people and create a demand for steel. Car makers winding down due to Libs chasing them away would not be helping.

It is Lib incompetence destroying industries, destroying the economy.

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Reply #21 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

cods wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Libs are really destroying the economy and that IS a fact!

all in two year not bad... get real you guys... get real...blame blame blame... our steel industry was given a MASSIVE blow with CARBON TAX>..

but lets all forget that bit. Roll Eyes

It's not the carbon tax. It's falling commodity prices. It's the market.

It is an economy in recession. A strong stimulus program of building productive infrastructure would employ people and create a demand for steel. Car makers winding down due to Libs chasing them away would not be helping.

It is Lib incompetence destroying industries, destroying the economy.

Nonsense.

It's the consequence of half a century of anti-competitive

labour

practices that have driven justabout all Australian manufacturing businesses to the verge of extinction.

The price of being lazy. Sad

Despite this, you Leftoids still argue for penalty rates, collective work agreements and against a deregulated labour market?

Trashing Workchoices basically killed off any chance of Australian manufacturing businesses being competitive. The Unions, Labor and the Greens are directly responsible. Sad

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47267 Gender:	Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks Reply #22 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 12:48pm Find another tune to play. It all was going OK until the Libs stuffed the bloody economy and are applying austerity.
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Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks
Reply #23 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 1:31pm

Swagman wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

cods wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Libs are really destroying the economy and that IS a fact!

all in two year not bad... get real you guys... get real...blame blame blame... our steel industry was given a MASSIVE blow with CARBON TAX>..

but lets all forget that bit. Roll Eyes

It's not the carbon tax. It's falling commodity prices. It's the market.

It is an economy in recession. A strong stimulus program of building productive infrastructure would employ people and create a demand for steel. Car makers winding down due to Libs chasing them away would not be helping.

It is Lib incompetence destroying industries, destroying the economy.

Nonsense.

It's the consequence of half a century of anti-competitive

labour

practices that have driven justabout all Australian manufacturing businesses to the verge of extinction.

The price of being lazy. Sad

Despite this, you Leftoids still argue for penalty rates, collective work agreements and against a deregulated labour market?

Trashing Workchoices basically killed off any chance of Australian manufacturing businesses being competitive. The Unions, Labor and the Greens are directly responsible. Sad

And the TRUTH is actually diametrically-opposed to that which you claim.

Why are the Right so keen on projecting their failings and failures onto their betters?

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Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks
Reply #24 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 11:36pm

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:04am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:32am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 9:23am:

So market conditions are at fault.

There is too much steel on the market, so they can't sell enough at this point.

Why people are are trying to say this has to do with politicians, I'm not sure.

Haven't noticed the price going down in this glut supply market..........

Just saying.... must be some for of tariff barrier in place.. privately installed ones that say the supplier simply cannot provide at a lower price..... funny how that works....

A government tariff is vilified, but a private one is just fine, it seems...

Just opening your eyes a little, people.......

Their words not mine. Perhaps they just suck at business.

I know - I wasn't hacking at you.... just saying something in a different light...

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Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks
Reply #25 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 11:43pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

cods wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Libs are really destroying the economy and that IS a fact!

all in two year not bad... get real you guys... get real...blame blame blame... our steel industry was given a MASSIVE blow with CARBON TAX>..

but lets all forget that bit. Roll Eyes

It's not the carbon tax. It's falling commodity prices. It's the market.

It is an economy in recession. A strong stimulus program of building productive infrastructure would employ people and create a demand for steel. Car makers winding down due to Libs chasing them away would not be helping.

It is Lib incompetence destroying industries, destroying the economy.

I prefer to view it as a deliberate policy to ally themselves with the 'global economy' and thus reap benefits huge therefrom, and at any cost to anyone else.

As I said - there is a private tariff barrier in place, meaning that suppliers will not sell here at less than a price they want - yet the moment a government puts a tariff barrier in place to protect its own industry, the move is vilified.

In all of this is the real truth - you are being robbed every day in every way - and the robbery is taking place via suppliers setting their price without restraint in a market where the competition - and the employment of those within the targeted country - has been destroyed, thus creating as near a monopoly as you could find.

Yet none dare call it treason...

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Reply #26 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:56am

Swagman wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 12:44pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:50am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 10:24am:

cods wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:57am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 6:53am:

Libs are really destroying the economy and that IS a fact!

all in two year not bad... get real you guys... get real...blame blame blame... our steel industry was given a MASSIVE blow with CARBON TAX>..

but lets all forget that bit. Roll Eyes

It's not the carbon tax. It's falling commodity prices. It's the market.

It is an economy in recession. A strong stimulus program of building productive infrastructure would employ people and create a demand for steel. Car makers winding down due to Libs chasing them away would not be helping.

It is Lib incompetence destroying industries, destroying the economy.

Nonsense.

It's the consequence of half a century of anti-competitive

labour

practices that have driven justabout all Australian manufacturing businesses to the verge of extinction.

The price of being lazy. Sad

Despite this, you Leftoids still argue for penalty rates, collective work agreements and against a deregulated labour market?

Trashing Workchoices basically killed off any chance of Australian manufacturing businesses being competitive. The Unions, Labor and the Greens are directly responsible. Sad

The only way for labour intensive business to compete is to have much cheaper labour than competitors. This means (much) lower wages or automation. For this reason manufacturing has been declining in Australia for more than 4 decades. We don't want to compete with cheap labour because it will lower everyone's living standards.

This is why the services economy has grown as the manufacturing declined. Services is more than 80% of gross value added.

This is the nature of increased living standards, it's not about any government policy.

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Reply #27 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am

Then why do Germany and Holland have such strong manufacturing sectors?

Not the unions, not China. Neoconservatism at work IMHO, everything for the CEOs and top execs and stuff the bloody country.

CEOs move to China—get big bonuses. That is much more like it. Howard was a neocon, start and cause of much of our Budgetary and economic woes.

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Reply #28 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:01pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Then why do Germany and Holland have such strong manufacturing sectors?

Not the unions, not China. Neoconservatism at work IMHO, everything for the CEOs and top execs and stuff the bloody country.

CEOs move to China—get big bonuses. That is much more like it. Howard was a neocon, start and cause of much of our Budgetary and economic woes.

Germany relies on services like most first world nations. Almost 70% of the GDP and employment are in services. Though manufacturing is still a major part of the economy, it is mostly niche SME manufacturers.

The Netherlands has a similar reliance on services, at about 72% GDP.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Another 250 Jobs Axed At Whyalla Steelworks Reply #29 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:15pm Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:26am: Then why do Germany and Holland have such strong manufacturing sectors? . Very large domestic and bordering markets and a quality product with inelastic demand........
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