Australian Politics Forum - If Coal Is Our Future

BatteriesNotIncluded Gold Member Offline MediocrityNET: because people died for this! Posts: 26966	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #30 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 3:23pm - part 3 ..around the 14min37 seconds part he talks about imagining building a HVDC line to Indonesia or even further into Sth East Asia and exporting our deserts solar power! "YA GOTTA THINK BIG!", he says!!
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Reply #31 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 3:26pm

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Hydro can and does run aluminium smelters

Any new Hydro projects in Australia recently?

Are there any new Nuclear? The point was that renewable is capable of running high intensity requirements. It's not as tested as incumbent technology, but that was true of all power generation at some point.

You're the one proposing the efficacy of Hydro. That will require the enviro's to allow building dams in suitable areas.

No he wasn't Cheesy

he was saying nuclear and coal are not the only things capable of producing so-called 'magical' base-load power Grin

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Reply #32 - Nov 17^th, 2015 at 3:39pm

Dont worry Nuclear is the future..

in 2012, germans announced that "Half of Germany Was Running on Solar Power"

http://www.treehugger.com/energy-policy/half-germany-was-powered-solar.html

However when you look at the statistics on Germany’s electricity sector for the whole of 2012 you see electricity output from renewables, especially from wind and solar, grew at a sluggish rate. Germany is however avoiding blackouts—by opening new coal- and gas-fired plants. Renewable electricity is proving very unreliable and chaotic.

https://www.bdew.de/internet.nsf/id/3EDCA15529136B0AC1257AFD0035A2F6/$file/13011...

http://www.ag-energiebilanzen.de/componenten/download.php?filedata=1357206124.pd...

Something we seen in California "On days when these energy sources are thwarted by the weather, more reliable backup sources are needed. And more often than not, this means fossil fuels (especially natural gas) are used to fill the energy shortages caused by a large clouds or clear, breezeless days.This lack of reliability and consistency in solar and wind energy production necessitates the use of emergency backups – something that will only rise as California continues its transition to renewable energy sources."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/dec/09/local/la-me-unreliable-power-20121210

And again both Norway and Sweden is experiencing this problem.. And sadly and Germany is pays the price for switching off nuclear power

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1876610214017706

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-10-29/germany-pays-the-price-for-switching-off-n...

The future is nuclear either

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #33 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:15am India won't need coal imports by 2017: Piyush Goyal http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/energy/india-wont-need-coal-imports...
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Reply #34 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:23am

Because they will be self sufficient in coal.

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India won't need coal imports by 2017

NEW DELHI: Coal shortages will be a thing of the past and India won't need to import dry fuel by 2017, except to meet requirements of the power plants located near coastal area, Union Minister Piyush Goyal said today.

"I have been on record to say that I judged that by 2017, India should not need to import coal except for those coastal plants where it is very difficult to transmit coal. I am fairly confident the era of shortages is over," Goyal said here addressing at a KPMG event EN ...

From Greens_10% link.

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Reply #35 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 8:56am

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 2:46pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 2:20pm:

lee wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 1:52pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 17^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Hydro can and does run aluminium smelters

Any new Hydro projects in Australia recently?

Are there any new Nuclear? The point was that renewable is capable of running high intensity requirements. It's not as tested as incumbent technology, but that was true of all power generation at some point.

You're the one proposing the efficacy of Hydro. That will require the enviro's to allow building dams in suitable areas.

I was pointing out it has been used. and is renewable. There are other options also. The point is that it's wrong to say renewable energy cannot power intensive applications.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47680 Gender:	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #36 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:02am We need to repeat the Snowy scheme, using rivers like the Burdekin. More hydro, and we will be sending water to the south which is drying out due to AGW.
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perceptions_now Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 11694 Perth WA Gender:	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #37 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:56am Q) Is Coal Our Future? A) In the Short to Medium Term - YES, But Reducing! In the Medium to Longer Term - NO!
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #38 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:32pm UK's coal plants to be phased out within 10 years http://www.bbc.com/news/business-34851718
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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47680 Gender:	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #39 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:45pm Replaced by gas, another fossil fuel if a bit cleaner than coal.
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Reply #40 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:44pm

Could it affect coal production in Australia?

This agreement will add to other structural changes that are undermining the feasibility of new coal mine construction and expansion in Australia. Australia is already likely going to need to prematurely retire some thermal coalmining assets due to overinvestment during the mining boom.

Two of Australia’s largest export markets, India and China, have plans in place to limit thermal coal imports and prioritise domestic coal use over the coming years.

A successful Paris agreement would likely further compound this restriction in coal export demand and strengthen the case for limiting coal mine construction and expansion in Australia.

This agreement contributes to a number of growing forces which all have one clear signal: the future of coal production in Australia is bleak.

http://theconversation.com/explainer-how-the-oecd-agreement-deals-another-blow-t...

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Reply #41 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 2:58pm

coal in China

'As of the end of 2014, China had 62 billion tons of anthracite and 52 billion tons of lignite quality coal. China ranks third in the world in terms of total coal reserves behind the United States and Russia.[6] Most reserves are located in the north and north-west of the country, which poses a large logistical problem for supplying electricity to the more heavily populated coastal areas.[7] At current levels of production, China has 30 years worth of reserves.[8] However, others suggest that China has enough coal to sustain its economic growth for a century or more'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_in_China

At a recent event China said they needed to start looking for replacement for coal within 100 years.

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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: If Coal Is Our Future Reply #42 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 3:12pm Unemployment ravages coal regions Today, the ABS released its regional unemployment figures for October, which revealed that unemployment across Australia’s key coal regions is among the highest in the nation. From CommSec: http://www.macrobusiness.com.au/2015/11/unemployment-ravages-coal-and-tourism-re...
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