Australian Politics Forum - Ashby/Brough and even Pyne

Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47952 Gender:	Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne Reply #105 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:22pm Mal will sack Brough next week I bet. Or maybe wait one more week, lose it in the Christmas noise, i.e. issue a press release late Fri night??
Back to top	Get the vaxx! 💉💉 If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings. IP Logged

Bam

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 21905
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #106 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:40pm

Quote:

Guilt or innocence is not determined by public denunciation here or anywhere else. The minister has answered the questions put to him. I thank the Opposition for their interest in this matter. They should understand that the facts relating to the Ashby affair occurred some years ago. -- Turnbull

This last one shows the blatant hypocrisy of the Coalition.

The Coalition pursued Gillard for over two years for something that happened 17 years previously - including a Royal Commission that showed she actually did nothing wrong ... and now we're supposed to accept that something that happened 3½ years ago is not fair game for inquiry?

How lame!

Back to top

You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument.

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #107 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm

This is a bad image for Turnbull on so many levels - not just an issue of indecisiveness in response to a clear case of misleading the Australian public, but by, of all people, the special minister of state - who is supposed to be in charge of matters of parliamentary integrity. And not only that - the minister who had very noticeably been sidelined by the previous PM, and was, very noticeably, active in the internal push to get Turnbull to replace Abbott. And not just bad judgement from any old PM - but the PM who basically gave himself the label "Mr bad judgement" after utegate. Yet its not just a case of bad judgment, it will inevitably be seen as the PM forming a protection racket for the guy who was central to delivering him the PMship. And lets not forget also how much ammunition this is giving for any dormant Abbott insurgents - who must be conjuring a lot of will power to hold their tongue on this.

Just seems very very bad for Turnbull.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38869
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #108 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:56pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:45pm:

This is a bad image for Turnbull on so many levels - not just an issue of indecisiveness in response to a clear case of misleading the Australian public, but by, of all people, the special minister of state - who is supposed to be in charge of matters of parliamentary integrity. And not only that - the minister who had very noticeably been sidelined by the previous PM, and was, very noticeably, active in the internal push to get Turnbull to replace Abbott. And not just bad judgement from any old PM - but the PM who basically gave himself the label "Mr bad judgement" after utegate. Yet its not just a case of bad judgment, it will inevitably be seen as the PM forming a protection racket for the guy who was central to delivering him the PMship. And lets not forget also how much ammunition this is giving for any dormant Abbott insurgents - who must be conjuring a lot of will power to hold their tongue on this.

Just seems very very bad for Turnbull.

Indeed. This is a potential obliteration for Turnbull. If he acts against Brough, what will Brough reveal about the machinations which went on leading up to the knifing of Abbott. Brough will have been central to all of it, and Turnbull is in his hands. He has delivered himself up to Brough, or has he? I suspect Brough will have 'photos.'

If he does not act against Brough, then he ties his ultimate fate to that of Brough, if Brough goes down, so does he especially after today's stonewalling which is in effect support for Brough. The longer he keeps Brough the more obvious the umbilical cord.

Lovely stuff....and yet ~ Abbott was smart enough to recognise the toxicity of Brough, something Turnbull failed to do, and it is not the first time he similarly failed.

Back to top

IP Logged

polite_gandalf

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 20027
Canberra
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #109 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:57pm

Special Minister of State:

Quote:

The Australian Special Minister of State is the Honourable Mal Brough, since 21 September 2015.

In the Government of Australia, the Special Minister of State (SMOS), formerly the Special Minister of State for the Public Service and Integrity, is a ministerial portfolio responsible for various parliamentary, electoral, financial, public service and oversight affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Minister_of_State

It just occurred to me - this government has now been embroiled in two scandals in which the two people most responsible for overseeing and maintaining parliamentary integrity - the speaker and the special minister of state - have been disgraced for not behaving with integrity in public life.

Back to top

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
Quote:

Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38869
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #110 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 3:16pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Special Minister of State:

Quote:

The Australian Special Minister of State is the Honourable Mal Brough, since 21 September 2015.

In the Government of Australia, the Special Minister of State (SMOS), formerly the Special Minister of State for the Public Service and Integrity, is a ministerial portfolio responsible for various parliamentary, electoral, financial, public service and oversight affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Minister_of_State

It just occurred to me - this government has now been embroiled in two scandals in which the two people most responsible for overseeing and maintaining parliamentary integrity - the speaker and the special minister of state - have been disgraced for not behaving with integrity in public life.

True, but we cannot put the Speaker Bishop albatross around the neck of Turnbull, and even if we could, the Brough bird is far too large to leave room for Bronnie.

Back to top

IP Logged

Grappler Deep State Feller

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 85523
Always was always will be HOME
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #111 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:14pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 3:16pm:

True, but we cannot put the Speaker Bishop albatross around the neck of Turnbull, and even if we could, the Brough bird is far too large to leave room for Bronnie.

Why not? Has he fixed the freebies rorts.. or has it just been allowed to dive underground while farcical poll results show his massive popularity....

In Australistan is one Party and Great Leader always elected by 99% majority... is nobody dissident... is no dissident, is no problem........

Back to top

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
― John Adams

IP Logged

Aussie

Gold Member

Offline

OzPolitic

Posts: 38869
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #112 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:26pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:14pm:

Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 3:16pm:

True, but we cannot put the Speaker Bishop albatross around the neck of Turnbull, and even if we could, the Brough bird is far too large to leave room for Bronnie.

Why not? Has he fixed the freebies rorts.. or has it just been allowed to dive underground while farcical poll results show his massive popularity....

In Australistan is one Party and Great Leader always elected by 99% majority... is nobody dissident... is no dissident, is no problem........

Yeas....apparently not. Julie Bishop had a $30,000.00 ride from Perth to Canberra to be at a Cabinet Meeting one morning. The previous night, she had attended a charity event in the place of the PM....left that event and at 11.00pm in the Tax Payer funded Jet, flew her (and her comfort blanket) out of Perth to be at the Cabinet meeting. Fair enough? No, it bloody well is not. If she needed to be at the Cabinet Meeting, she never ought have accepted the gig to be at the charity event.....so......in the end....it drills down to this:

The Tax Payers of Australia paid $30,000.00 so that cow could attend a charity ball. Phark off!

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #113 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:52pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 3:16pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 2:57pm:

Special Minister of State:

Quote:

The Australian Special Minister of State is the Honourable Mal Brough, since 21 September 2015.

In the Government of Australia, the Special Minister of State (SMOS), formerly the Special Minister of State for the Public Service and Integrity, is a ministerial portfolio responsible for various parliamentary, electoral, financial, public service and oversight affairs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Minister_of_State

It just occurred to me - this government has now been embroiled in two scandals in which the two people most responsible for overseeing and maintaining parliamentary integrity - the speaker and the special minister of state - have been disgraced for not behaving with integrity in public life.

True, but we cannot put the Speaker Bishop albatross around the neck of Turnbull, and even if we could, the Brough bird is far too large to leave room for Bronnie.

did Bronny or Julie for that matter go to BROTHELS and pretend for 3 years they didnt???????>.

oh god tell me they didnt live in denial with the PMs blessing.. for 3 bloody years.... tell me????

who gives those sort of FREE passes???

Grin

what about first class travel for mistresses...thats not a rort is it?? or a disgrace from what I can make out.. Roll Eyes

Back to top

IP Logged

cods

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 88048

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #114 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 5:56pm

Aussie wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 1:34pm:

QT on now. Here is a doozy:

Liz Hayes asks Brough:

Quote:

'Um why then also did you um assist, seek well, did you ask James Ashby to procure um copies of Peter Slipper's diary for for you?'

Quote:

Mr Brough: 'Yes I did'.

(- See more at: http://www.skynews.com.au/news/top-stories/2015/12/02/brough-apologises-for--confusion-0.html#sthash.nCuNb3eJ.dpuf)

Dreyfus asks Brough in QT just now:

Quote:

Did you ask James Ashby to procure um copies of Peter Slipper's diary for for you?

Brough:

Quote:

No.

Hahahahahahahahahahaaaaa!!!

isnt it wonderful our erstwhile legal eagle.believes all this crap..

but doesnt believe a word of the ROYAL into corruption..

probably because it his own side...

nothing quite like a BIASED legal... Grin

..

its a bit like fds rules.. they dont apply to him...only to the peasants.... ferfuxsake..

Back to top

IP Logged

Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38869 Gender:	Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne Reply #115 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 6:05pm Quote: isnt it wonderful our erstwhile legal eagle.believes all this crap.. Can you identify what part of what I posted is 'crap?'
Back to top	IP Logged

stunspore

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 5097
Gender: male

Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne
Reply #116 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 7:43pm

Another "as i a lib i must defend the indefensible lib scandal" thing.

Sad really - that supporters try to use diversions and misdirection instead of just trying to cut lose their losses. Not all libs are good right? Former lib clive? Former lib Slipper? Current but i guess questionable depending which lib you ask - turnbull or abbott? etc etc.

So is Brough guilty at the moment? What seems to be certain is that he made 2 contradictory statements and has not/can't explain how those statements resolve explicitly.

Back to top

IP Logged

Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne Reply #117 - Dec 2^nd, 2015 at 8:23pm Brough's theme song ...
Back to top	You are not entitled to your opinion. You are only entitled to hold opinions that you can defend through sound, reasoned argument. IP Logged

Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38869 Gender:	Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne Reply #118 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:26pm A Qld Barrister asserts Brough has contravened Queensland's Criminal Code, and he sets out facts (as they were then known) and the Law. Add on top of those facts the later Brough confession on 60 Minutes and the case is even stronger. Link.
Back to top	IP Logged

Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47952 Gender:	Re: Ashby/Brough and even Pyne Reply #119 - Dec 3^rd, 2015 at 5:32pm Brough about went to go over the top today, just barely managed to restrain himself. Can Turncoat keep Brough as Special Min of State? But if he gets rid of Brough who will be next? Wyatt Roy, Pratt Pyne and eventually—Turncoat himself!
Back to top	Get the vaxx! 💉💉 If you don’t like abortions ignore them like you do school shootings. IP Logged