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Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror
Nov 17^th, 2015 at 4:31pm

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While ordinary Britons and non muslims around the world are bewildered by these never-ending acts of terrorism, the response of the leaders of the Islamic community is the tired old cliché-- Islam is a religion of peace,and Jihad is simply an inner struggle.

The fact these terrorists are motivated by one powerful belief-- the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar (non Muslims)--is disingenuously denied by Islamic clerics and leaders

Yesterday,instead of calling on muslims to shelve the doctrine of armed jihad,predictably,the Muslim council of Britain (MCB) issued a quick press release claiming the barbaric attack has no basis in Islam.

Not true MCB,As a muslim, I can say without fear,the latest terror attack has a basis in Islam and it's time for us muslims to dig our heads out of the sand.
Hundreds of British muslims tweeted their condemnation of the act,but not one individual or organization had the courage to point out and admit the fact sharia based doctrine of armed jihad does permit holy war on non muslims,especially in the land of the Kuffar.

This was an opportunity for the muslim leadership to confess they have failed and the time has come to admit that jihadis cannot be fought without fighting the doctrine of jihad.

It is worth noting that not a single muslim cleric since 9/11 has mustered the courage to say the doctrine of armed jihad is defunct and inapplicable in the 21st century.They rightfully denounce terrorism,but dare not denounce jihad
www.huffingtonpost.ca/tarek-fatah/uk-beheading-jihad-terror_b_3325363.html

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Do you agree with Tarek Fatah on the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar being responsible for Islamic terror or do you agree with Waleed Aly and the Grand Mufti in saying racism (Muslims are not a race) and Islamophobia along with foreign policy cause Islamic terror?

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Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:37pm

Baronvonrort,

That is too confusing.

You have given g too many options.

Perhaps g didn't even want to accept either of the options you offered him.

Perhaps gandalf would prefer to explain his position using another modus ?

He a moslem, you are oppressing him.

And he refuses to respond to your 'insinuations' as to what he may believe, or, not believe.

He a moslem.

Baronvonrort,

If you oppress a moslem [by questioning his moral integrity], of course the moslem is going to righteously respond with 'ISLAMIC terror' against you!

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 1:48pm One at a time Baron. Firstly lets start with the claim that Waleed Aly thinks racism causes terrorism. What did he actually say?
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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21914 A cat with a view	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:56pm Told'ya.
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Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror
Reply #4 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:36pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

He a moslem, you are oppressing him.

And he refuses to respond to your 'insinuations' as to what he may believe, or, not believe.

He a moslem.

Both Baron and you are agents of hate. Your "discussions" with me are done with only one purpose in mind - to try and embarrass and shame me. You have no interest whatsoever in understanding my point of view.

And now you sit here and scoff at me for being defensive when I see you trying to corner me for petty point scoring.

At least admit one thing Yadda, as I believe you are at heart and honest person: you have no interest whatsoever in trying to understand my point of view or the point of view of muslims - the only thing you are interested in these debates is how you can use them to mock and ridicule muslims - right?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #5 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

He a moslem, you are oppressing him.

And he refuses to respond to your 'insinuations' as to what he may believe, or, not believe.

He a moslem.

Both Baron and you are agents of hate. Your "discussions" with me are done with only one purpose in mind - to try and embarrass and shame me. You have no interest whatsoever in understanding my point of view.

And now you sit here and scoff at me for being defensive when I see you trying to corner me for petty point scoring.

At least admit one thing Yadda, as I believe you are at heart and honest person: you have no interest whatsoever in trying to understand my point of view or the point of view of muslims - the only thing you are interested in these debates is how you can use them to mock and ridicule muslims - right?

Why should they all you do is apologize for every sick perverted muslim act on the planet. You are clearly the agent of HATE. You have absolutely no intention of learning one thing outside of islam. Everyone knows that so stop playing the hard done by muslim, because you aint hard done by at all chump. We just have to put up with your offensiveness as long as you are here.

If you don't like this country simply leave it.

It must be another feel sorry for muslims day.

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Reply #6 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 8:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:37pm:

He a moslem, you are oppressing him.

And he refuses to respond to your 'insinuations' as to what he may believe, or, not believe.

He a moslem.

Both Baron and you are agents of hate. Your "discussions" with me are done with only one purpose in mind - to try and embarrass and shame me. You have no interest whatsoever in understanding my point of view.

And now you sit here and scoff at me for being defensive when I see you trying to corner me for petty point scoring.

At least admit one thing Yadda, as I believe you are at heart and honest person: you have no interest whatsoever in trying to understand my point of view or the point of view of muslims - the only thing you are interested in these debates is how you can use them to mock and ridicule muslims - right?

i have no interest in you gandalf

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Reply #7 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:06pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 7:36pm:

At least admit one thing Yadda, as I believe you are at heart and honest person:

you have no interest whatsoever in trying to understand my point of view or the point of view of muslims - the only thing you are interested in these debates is how you can use them to mock and ridicule muslims - right?

gandalf, you are mistaken.

PROPOSITION;

gandalf, this is a public forum.

It is a place where persons can debate and reason, and make propositions and arguments, IN LOGIC, and defend their OWN, PERSONAL positions on particular issues.

For my part;

From reading ISLAMIC texts, and observing the intimidating, deceitful, and murderous conduct of many, many moslems, i have come to have a particular perception, about what ISLAM is.

Your position, ....is that you appear to be happy and comfortable, to self-declare as a moslem.

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

I [along with many others], am asking you to defend your position, AND YOUR FAITH, publicly, ....AND, WITH PLAIN AND SIMPLE, REASON AND LOGIC - WITHOUT ANY OBFUSCATION.

But you seem unwilling to publicly, and plainly, explain how you reconcile; 1/ mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine and 2/ ISLAM's foundation religious texts, clearly promoting political violence in the world, .....with your own declared perception, that ISLAM is a virtuous [and peace loving???] philosophy.

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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'

- quoting ISLAMIC scripture

Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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What, is a moslem ????????

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ?????????

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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gandalf,

QUESTION;

What % of moslems, .....are moslems ???

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #8 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:09pm

gandalf is a moslem.

I am not a moslem.

Because i am not a moslem, i am oppressing gandalf.

It is as plain as the nose on your face!!

Asking a moslem, to [seriously] justify ISLAM [his own position of faith], .....

is oppressing a moslem.

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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1418244166/15#15
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You mean that we [infidels, on OzPol] are guilty of 'stereotyping' members of the Australian mainstream moslem community!!!!

Shock horror!!!!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....moslems!

Fancy having the gall to associate moslems, .......with, .....ISLAM [and with ISLAM's laws and tenets] !

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

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Yadda said....
Quote:

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

Google;
Shahada, confession of faith, of a muslim

"There is no god except for Allah alone; and Muhammad is the Apostle of Allah."

Today, many moslems - living in Australia - are insisting that we, Australians, must be forced to believe the incredible;

"I'm a moslem, and i worship Allah, and i revere Mohammed his messenger.

And i know that Allah calls for the enslavement and/or murder of all non-moslems - THROUGH JIHAD [religious fighting, when moslems have that 'opportunity'].

But i don't follow that part of my faith.

HONEST!"

Dictionary;
incredible = =
1 impossible to believe.
2 difficult to believe; extraordinary.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #9 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:21pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

I [along with many others], am asking you to defend your position, AND YOUR FAITH, publicly, ....AND, WITH PLAIN AND SIMPLE, REASON AND LOGIC - WITHOUT ANY OBFUSCATION.

what a joke Yadda.

Why are you asking? To what possible end?

You are not interested in hearing my point of view, you only want to use this space to air your hatred for Islam. Thats fine of course, but please don't insult both our intelligence by pretending you have any interest in hearing me justify my beliefs or hearing the defense of Islam.

I thought you would at least have the honesty to admit this, but it seems I was wrong.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96659	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #10 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:53pm Now now, G, no obfuscating. Moslem == a follower of Islam.
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #11 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:36pm Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:53pm: Now now, G, no obfuscating. Moslem == a follower of Islam. Quite right. Gandalf you are personally responsible for ISIS. All Muslims are. Clearly you won't be content until all of us convert to your religion. It's so obvious in everything you say.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #12 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:43pm mothra wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:36pm: Gandalf you are personally responsible for ISIS. All Muslims are. Clearly you won't be content until all of us convert to your religion. It's so obvious in everything you say. I guess thats the "plain and simple reason and logic" that Yadda is after
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Reply #13 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:45pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:21pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

I [along with many others], am asking you to defend your position, AND YOUR FAITH, publicly, ....AND, WITH PLAIN AND SIMPLE, REASON AND LOGIC - WITHOUT ANY OBFUSCATION.

what a joke Yadda.

Why are you asking? To what possible end?

You are not interested in hearing my point of view, you only want to use this space to air your hatred for Islam. Thats fine of course, but please don't insult both our intelligence by pretending you have any interest in hearing me justify my beliefs or hearing the defense of Islam.

I thought you would at least have the honesty to admit this, but it seems I was wrong.

Yadda has only posted truth and facts and all you do is attack and hate and make excuses for islamic atrocities. You aren't interested in finding out how islam is all bullshit clearly you are a mindless drone. A slave to satan.

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Reply #14 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:47pm

Bazza wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:45pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:21pm:

Yadda wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:06pm:

I [along with many others], am asking you to defend your position, AND YOUR FAITH, publicly, ....AND, WITH PLAIN AND SIMPLE, REASON AND LOGIC - WITHOUT ANY OBFUSCATION.

what a joke Yadda.

Why are you asking? To what possible end?

You are not interested in hearing my point of view, you only want to use this space to air your hatred for Islam. Thats fine of course, but please don't insult both our intelligence by pretending you have any interest in hearing me justify my beliefs or hearing the defense of Islam.

I thought you would at least have the honesty to admit this, but it seems I was wrong.

Yadda has only posted truth and facts and all you do is attack and hate and make excuses for islamic atrocities. You aren't interested in finding out how islam is all bullshit clearly you are a mindless drone. A slave to satan.

Slave to Satan eh? That's a new one.

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