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Reply #75 - Nov 24^th, 2015 at 7:53pm

thanks yadda.

"seek first to understand , then to be understood"

it seems those who claim to understand the Koran, dont want to help us understand. their silence is deafening.

If anyone out there has a good understanding of the good points about the islamic faith , i'm here waiting to try to understand it.

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Reply #77 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 3:07pm:

This is what you are proving yourself incapable of S - acknowledging this very real phenomenon and condemning the attacks for what they are - totally unjustified. Its like your crusade against these "lefty progs" creates some impenetrable cognitive barrier against saying anything that might be construed as acknowledging they are right. So you tiptoe around outrageous attacks against muslims and even go one step further - actually labelling those who point out the vulnerability of the muslim community as "evaders". I mean would it really kill you to say "damn the terrorists, damn Islam, barbaric blah blah blah - but yes there is a risk this could cause a backlash against innocent muslims, and I don't condone that"?

Why does the examination of Islam and Muslims in the West ALWAYS start with Western response to Muslim provocation? With the Muslims it's always, "Deplorable attack on innocents - anyway, lets talk about our victimhood until the next deplorable attack (that has nuffin' to do wiv nuffin', BTW)."

Muslims murder 129 in Paris?? Let's talk about Muslim victimhood.
Muslim kid guns down Chinese police accountant? Let's talk about Muslim victimhood.

Gandy, you are not the victims. You are the perpetrators.

There you go again with the stale strawman. I condemn terrorism in the name of Islam - always, no qualifications. And yet because I also say a backlash against innocent muslims in response should also be condemned - it somehow makes me evasive or an apologist or whatever.

I seem to be the only person condemning intimidation and violence against all innocents. It would be a very simple thing indeed for you to say "Islam is so evil - bah Islam!! - but at the same time its unacceptable to resort to violence and intimidation against muslims who have done no wrong". Why is that so difficult S? Seriously?

And whats with this "you" [are the perpertrator]? - as in me personally? Here little old me going about my business not hurting anyone, condemning violence whenever I see it - but somehow I'm a "perpetrator"? That is highly offensive - which of course you have a right to be.

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Reply #78 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Ok lets start with Tarek, he says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar is responsible for Islamic terror, do you agree with this?

The short answer is no.

But this Tarek guy is disingenuously conflating two separate things: what the vast majority of muslim scholars understand to be the doctrine of armed jihad, and what the minority of terrorists understand it to be.

So of course if you took the definition of armed jihad to be only the definition understood by a tiny minority of islamists (and ignored the mainstream view) - then yes, that doctrine is responsible for Islamic terror.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Tarek says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar should be made defunct and inapplicable to the 21st century, do you agree with this?

The actual mainstream view of armed jihad is identical to universal understandings of the right to self-defense, which no country on earth rejects, and which is even enshrined in the UN charter. So of course it is applicable to the 21st century. But the minority terrorist view of armed jihad - of course it goes without saying - it didn't apply to the 7th century, and it doesn't apply to the 21st century.

Sounds like spineless apologetics Gandalf.

- translation: if you don't agree with my perverted version of Islam, I'll label you a spineless apologist.

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The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas is a respected work from Imam Ibn Nuhaas, have any muslims ever been critical of that book or do they praise it as the best book on Jihad with sound Islamic ideology.

We have Anwar al Awlaki who wrote 44 ways to support Jihad, have any scholars ever criticised that work?

Both of these books are free to download from Islamic websites.

Oh look, Baron's appealing to scholarly authority to argue the ISIS version of Islam.

Can I play too? How about the 600 page fatwa against terrorism - endorsed by the Al-Azhar university in Cairo - described as "Sunni Islam's most prestigious university", and believed to be the Islamic world's oldest degree granting university? Does that count for anything? Perhaps you can trot out a laundry list of salafist scholars who have criticised that? No doubt that will "prove" that Islam really disapproves of it right?

Or how about the open letter from leading American muslim scholars giving fully cited point by point refutation of ISIS ideology? No doubt you'll wave your magic wand and find some obscure no-name scholar who has denounced it, and *poof!* magically, Islam is against it.

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Reply #79 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Ok lets start with Tarek, he says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar is responsible for Islamic terror, do you agree with this?

The short answer is no.

But this Tarek guy is disingenuously conflating two separate things: what the vast majority of muslim scholars understand to be the doctrine of armed jihad, and what the minority of terrorists understand it to be.

So of course if you took the definition of armed jihad to be only the definition understood by a tiny minority of islamists (and ignored the mainstream view) - then yes, that doctrine is responsible for Islamic terror.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Tarek says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar should be made defunct and inapplicable to the 21st century, do you agree with this?

The actual mainstream view of armed jihad is identical to universal understandings of the right to self-defense, which no country on earth rejects, and which is even enshrined in the UN charter. So of course it is applicable to the 21st century. But the minority terrorist view of armed jihad - of course it goes without saying - it didn't apply to the 7th century, and it doesn't apply to the 21st century.

Sounds like spineless apologetics Gandalf.

- translation: if you don't agree with my perverted version of Islam, I'll label you a spineless apologist.

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The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas is a respected work from Imam Ibn Nuhaas, have any muslims ever been critical of that book or do they praise it as the best book on Jihad with sound Islamic ideology.

We have Anwar al Awlaki who wrote 44 ways to support Jihad, have any scholars ever criticised that work?

Both of these books are free to download from Islamic websites.

Oh look, Baron's appealing to scholarly authority to argue the ISIS version of Islam.

Can I play too? How about the 600 page fatwa against terrorism - endorsed by the Al-Azhar university in Cairo - described as "Sunni Islam's most prestigious university", and believed to be the Islamic world's oldest degree granting university? Does that count for anything? Perhaps you can trot out a laundry list of salafist scholars who have criticised that? No doubt that will "prove" that Islam really disapproves of it right?

Or how about the open letter from leading American muslim scholars giving fully cited point by point refutation of ISIS ideology? No doubt you'll wave your magic wand and find some obscure no-name scholar who has denounced it, and *poof!* magically, Islam is against it.

I have never seen any bad reviews by muslims of The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas, can you cite any Gandalf?

Can you cite any bad reviews of 44 ways to support Jihad by Anwar al Awlaki?

Why did Qadri need 600 pages for his terror Fatwa if Islamic terror is not halal, if it was unislamic as some ignorant muslims claim then surely only one page would have been required.
Why did he leave out We have decreed upon the children of Israel when citing 5/32?

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Reply #80 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

I have never seen any bad reviews by muslims of The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas, can you cite any Gandalf?

Can you cite any bad reviews of 44 ways to support Jihad by Anwar al Awlaki?

I must admit I've never looked - have you?

But have you ever read any bad reviews of the 600 page fatwa by muslim scholars or the open letter to Baghdadi? I mean thats the logic you are using - so I'm surprised you haven't trotted any out already.

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Reply #81 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

Soren wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:48am:

Muslims murder 129 in Paris?? Let's talk about Muslim victimhood.
Muslim kid guns down Chinese police accountant? Let's talk about Muslim victimhood.

Gandy, you are not the victims. You are the perpetrators.

There you go again with the stale strawman.

I condemn terrorism in the name of Islam - always, no qualifications.

And yet because I also say a backlash against innocent muslims in response should also be condemned - it somehow makes me evasive or an apologist or whatever.

gandalf,

That must be the ISLAM, .....in which it is an article of faith, that 100% of non-moslems [who reject ISLAM] deserve death ?

And, the very same ISLAM in which it is an article of faith, that every moslem [when he is given such an 'opportunity' by Allah's providence], ought to be the agent of that death, of the disbeliever ?

And that is the ISLAM,

.....in whose name, you condemn moslem political violence terrorism against non-moslems ?

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"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29

MURDERING DISBELIEVERS IS 'LAWFUL'.

In fact, murdering disbelievers [who reject ISLAM] is an article of faith, of ISLAM!

THE HADITH....

"...the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

ISLAMIC LAW....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

THE EXAMPLE OF MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger]

MOHAMMED INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING FOR HIS 'RELIGION' IS HALAL....

"Allah's Apostle said, "Who is willing to kill Ka'b bin Al-Ashraf who has hurt Allah and His Apostle?" Thereupon Muhammad bin Maslama got up saying, "O Allah's Apostle! Would you like that I kill him?" The Prophet said, "Yes," Muhammad bin Maslama said, "Then allow me to say a (false) thing (i.e. to deceive Kab). "The Prophet said, "You may say it." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #005.059.369

MOHAMMED [Allah's messenger] INSTRUCTS THE MOSLEM, THAT MURDERING A POETESS [WHO IS 'THREATENING' HIS 'RELIGION'] IS HALAL....

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Ishaq: 676 “[Context note: Asma bint Marwan was a writer. She wrote critically of Muhammad, telling her tribe to be wary of him, like this:] ‘You obey a stranger who encourages you to murder for booty. You are greedy men. Is there no honor among you?’ Upon hearing those lines Muhammad said, ‘Will no one rid me of this woman?’ Umayr, a zealous Muslim, decided to execute the Prophet’s wishes. That very night he crept into the writer’s home while she lay sleeping surrounded by her young children. There was one at her breast. Umayr removed the suckling baby and then plunged his sword into the poet. The next morning in the mosque, Muhammad, who was aware of the assassination, said, ‘You have helped Allah and His Apostle.’ Umayr said, ‘She had five sons; should I feel guilty?’ ‘No,’ the Prophet answered. ‘Killing her was as meaningless as two goats butting heads.’ ”

http://www.foundalis.com/rlg/Islam_and_peace.htm

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STRAIGHT FROM MOHAMMED'S MOUTH

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"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

In the Hadith verse above, Mohammed is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
i.e. Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And in Koran 9.111, Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed, while seeking to kill Allah's enemies.

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Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"

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Reply #83 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:38am:

I seem to be the only person condemning intimidation and violence against all innocents.

It would be a very simple thing indeed for you to say "Islam is so evil - bah Islam!! - but at the same time its unacceptable to resort to violence and intimidation against muslims who have done no wrong". Why is that so difficult S? Seriously?

gandalf,

YOUR ARGUMENT, to me, seems to be;

That you want to suggest [as a debating argument], .....that in every instance, ....where the moslem has not yet had a viable 'opportunity' to prove his bona-fides to his faith [in violence towards the infidel], .....then the moslem should somehow be handed an "innocence/victim" card, .....which the moslem can produce when confronted by indignant infidels [....indignant infidels who are learning about the real moslem intent, towards those who are not moslems].

i.e.

So, your argument, is that;

"Many moslems, are innocent people....."

   .....although,    .....we know that 100% of moslems follow a 'religious' philosophy which urges every moslem to work together with his brothers, to subjugate [OR MURDER] those who do not believe, what moslems believe ?

gandalf,

So please, do tell us;

What % of moslems,          .....are moslems ???

And what % of moslems,          .....are moslem impersonators ???

.....you know [in the 2nd category],    .....the terrorists, who are merely pretending to be real moslems.

EVIDENCE WHICH SUPPORTS MY ASSERTIONS/PROPOSITION,    THAT EVERY MOSLEM, ....IS A MOSLEM.

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Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami

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How Circumstance Dictates Islamic Behavior
January 18, 2012

Preach Peace When Weak, Wage War When Strong

"...all notions of peace with non-Muslims are based on circumstance.

When Muslims are weak, they should be peaceful; when strong, they should go on the offensive."

Sheikh Yassir al-Burhami - an ISLAMIC scholar and Egyptian Salafi leader
http://www.raymondibrahim.com/from-the-arab-world/how-circumstance-dictates-isla...

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What, is a moslem ????????

Dictionary;
Muslim = = a follower of Islam.

ISLAM = = ?????????

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"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

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Reply #85 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Ok lets start with Tarek, he says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar is responsible for Islamic terror, do you agree with this?

The short answer is no.

But this Tarek guy is disingenuously conflating two separate things: what the vast majority of muslim scholars understand to be the doctrine of armed jihad, and what the minority of terrorists understand it to be.

So of course if you took the definition of armed jihad to be only the definition understood by a tiny minority of islamists (and ignored the mainstream view) - then yes, that doctrine is responsible for Islamic terror.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Tarek says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar should be made defunct and inapplicable to the 21st century, do you agree with this?

The actual mainstream view of armed jihad is identical to universal understandings of the right to self-defense, which no country on earth rejects, and which is even enshrined in the UN charter. So of course it is applicable to the 21st century. But the minority terrorist view of armed jihad - of course it goes without saying - it didn't apply to the 7th century, and it doesn't apply to the 21st century.

Sounds like spineless apologetics Gandalf.

- translation: if you don't agree with my perverted version of Islam, I'll label you a spineless apologist.

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The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas is a respected work from Imam Ibn Nuhaas, have any muslims ever been critical of that book or do they praise it as the best book on Jihad with sound Islamic ideology.

We have Anwar al Awlaki who wrote 44 ways to support Jihad, have any scholars ever criticised that work?

Both of these books are free to download from Islamic websites.

Oh look, Baron's appealing to scholarly authority to argue the ISIS version of Islam.

Coz we all know, that the scholars of mainstream ISLAM, from all over the world, have proven that;

ISIS are simply a bunch of violent heretics [and are simply moslem impersonators], who are acting without a shred of scriptural authority from the Koran, nor any other ISLAMIC texts.

Right, gandalf ?

Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror

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Reply #86 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:57am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:33am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:34am:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Ok lets start with Tarek, he says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar is responsible for Islamic terror, do you agree with this?

The short answer is no.

But this Tarek guy is disingenuously conflating two separate things: what the vast majority of muslim scholars understand to be the doctrine of armed jihad, and what the minority of terrorists understand it to be.

So of course if you took the definition of armed jihad to be only the definition understood by a tiny minority of islamists (and ignored the mainstream view) - then yes, that doctrine is responsible for Islamic terror.

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 11:26am:

Tarek says the doctrine of armed jihad against the kuffar should be made defunct and inapplicable to the 21st century, do you agree with this?

The actual mainstream view of armed jihad is identical to universal understandings of the right to self-defense, which no country on earth rejects, and which is even enshrined in the UN charter. So of course it is applicable to the 21st century. But the minority terrorist view of armed jihad - of course it goes without saying - it didn't apply to the 7th century, and it doesn't apply to the 21st century.

Sounds like spineless apologetics Gandalf.

- translation: if you don't agree with my perverted version of Islam, I'll label you a spineless apologist.

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The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas is a respected work from Imam Ibn Nuhaas, have any muslims ever been critical of that book or do they praise it as the best book on Jihad with sound Islamic ideology.

We have Anwar al Awlaki who wrote 44 ways to support Jihad, have any scholars ever criticised that work?

Both of these books are free to download from Islamic websites.

Oh look, Baron's appealing to scholarly authority to argue the ISIS version of Islam.

Can I play too? How about the 600 page fatwa against terrorism - endorsed by the Al-Azhar university in Cairo - described as "Sunni Islam's most prestigious university", and believed to be the Islamic world's oldest degree granting university? Does that count for anything? Perhaps you can trot out a laundry list of salafist scholars who have criticised that? No doubt that will "prove" that Islam really disapproves of it right?

Or how about the open letter from leading American muslim scholars giving fully cited point by point refutation of ISIS ideology? No doubt you'll wave your magic wand and find some obscure no-name scholar who has denounced it, and *poof!* magically, Islam is against it.

Yeah, moslems oppose terrorism!!!

Whoop-dee-doo!!!

'fatwa against terrorism' = = a fatwa against 'terrorism', as defined as, opposition to Allah's will, .....aka, disbelief.

To mainstream ISLAM, rejection of ISLAM's authority to rule all of mankind, ...is the principle form of 'terrorism' which moslem clerics everywhere oppose!

This declaration by Sunni clerics, is nothing more, than ISLAMIST/moslem sophistry, imo.

Dictionary
lexicon = = the vocabulary of a person, language, or branch of knowledge.

Google,

Islam Lexicon for Dummies

"ISLAM is a peaceful, tolerant faith."

....insist an international coterie of Islamic scholars who all back MAINSTREAM ISLAMIC doctrines.

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6 Elements of ‘Extremist’ Islam That ‘Moderate’ Muslims Endorsed as They Condemned the Islamic State
Robert Spencer Sep 30, 2014

Hamas-linked CAIR and an international coterie of Islamic scholars condemned the Islamic State.

In doing so, they endorsed jihad warfare, dhimmitude, stoning for adultery, amputation for theft, the death penalty for apostasy, and the necessity of the caliphate.....

At last, moderate Islam! The Hamas-linked Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) and the Fiqh Council of North America held a press conference in Washington on Wednesday at which they announced with great fanfare that they had refuted the religious ideology of the Islamic State. They issued this lengthy “open letter” (not, interestingly enough, a fatwa) addressed to the Islamic State’s caliph Ibrahim, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, explaining how he was misunderstanding Islam.

[BUT.....]
In fact, the “moderates” who signed on to this open letter have ended up endorsing elements of Islam that most non-Muslim Westerners consider to be “extremist.”

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2014/09/robert-spencer-in-pj-media-6-elements-of-extre...
http://pjmedia.com/blog/6-elements-of-extremist-islam-that-moderate-muslims-endo...

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Reply #87 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:17pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

I have never seen any bad reviews by muslims of The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas, can you cite any Gandalf?

Can you cite any bad reviews of 44 ways to support Jihad by Anwar al Awlaki?

I must admit I've never looked - have you?

But have you ever read any bad reviews of the 600 page fatwa by muslim scholars or the open letter to Baghdadi? I mean thats the logic you are using - so I'm surprised you haven't trotted any out already.

I have not seen a single bad review of the book of jihad, all the muslims say it's the best book for jihad.

According to Dr Farrukh Salem the majority of the Islamic world is illiterate so how can they read this 600 page fatwa?

How many muslims are going to read a 600 page fatwa outlawing what the Quran and Sunnah allow?

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Reply #88 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

I have never seen any bad reviews by muslims of The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas, can you cite any Gandalf?

Can you cite any bad reviews of 44 ways to support Jihad by Anwar al Awlaki?

I must admit I've never looked - have you?

But have you ever read any bad reviews of the 600 page fatwa by muslim scholars or the open letter to Baghdadi? I mean thats the logic you are using - so I'm surprised you haven't trotted any out already.

I have not seen a single bad review of the book of jihad, all the muslims say it's the best book for jihad.

According to Dr Farrukh Salem the majority of the Islamic world is illiterate so how can they read this 600 page fatwa?

How many muslims are going to read a 600 page fatwa outlawing what the Quran and Sunnah allow?

".....a 600 page fatwa outlawing what the Quran and Sunnah allow?"

This sounds very heretical to me!!!! Wink

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror
Reply #89 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:24pm

Yadda wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:21pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:17pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:02pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:33am:

I have never seen any bad reviews by muslims of The Book of Jihad by Ibn Nuhaas, can you cite any Gandalf?

Can you cite any bad reviews of 44 ways to support Jihad by Anwar al Awlaki?

I must admit I've never looked - have you?

But have you ever read any bad reviews of the 600 page fatwa by muslim scholars or the open letter to Baghdadi? I mean thats the logic you are using - so I'm surprised you haven't trotted any out already.

I have not seen a single bad review of the book of jihad, all the muslims say it's the best book for jihad.

According to Dr Farrukh Salem the majority of the Islamic world is illiterate so how can they read this 600 page fatwa?

How many muslims are going to read a 600 page fatwa outlawing what the Quran and Sunnah allow?

".....a 600 page fatwa outlawing what the Quran and Sunnah allow?"

This sounds very heretical to me!!!! Wink

How many terror attacks have muslims done since the Qadri fatwad, does it appear they took no notice of it ?

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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