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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #90 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:31pm So you know of no Islamic scholar who has criticised the fatwa. Thanks for clearing that up. Now can I use your logic to "prove" that Islam is against terrorism? If not, why not? Perhaps you can actually address the point for once Baron.
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Reply #91 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

So you know of no Islamic scholar who has criticised the fatwa. Thanks for clearing that up.

Now can I use your logic to "prove" that Islam is against terrorism? If not, why not?

Perhaps you can actually address the point for once Baron.

Which fatwa Gandalf, was it the breastfeeding fatwa... Grin

How is Islam against terrorism when it's propagated by muslims with an urgent desire to meet Mo's sock puppet called Allah?

What point should I address?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #92 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:44pm Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:39pm: What point should I address? Has any Islamic scholar criticised the 600 page fatwa against terrorism? Pretty simple Baron.
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Reply #93 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:31pm:

So you know of no Islamic scholar who has criticised the fatwa. Thanks for clearing that up.

Now can I use your logic to "prove" that Islam is against terrorism? If not, why not?

Perhaps you can actually address the point for once Baron.

"Islamic scholar" - you say that as if being one was in any way the sign of intelligence.

SOme of the biggest idiots on this earth are Islamic scholars:

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/webtv/reports/2015/02/16/Saudi-cleric-rejects-th...

Anyway, who takes notice of Islamic scholars who issue fatwas against terrorists? Judging from the spread of Islamic terrorism, nobody.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #94 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:04pm Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:49pm: "Islamic scholar" - you say that as if being one was in any way the sign of intelligence. Baron attaches great weight to Islamic scholarly authority. Suggest you take it up with him.
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Reply #95 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

"Islamic scholar" - you say that as if being one was in any way the sign of intelligence.

Baron attaches great weight to Islamic scholarly authority. Suggest you take it up with him.

More fool him, then.

But of course he doesn't. I think he is asking the same question about Muslims scholars I asked - who cares what they say in a 600 page fatwa? Who reads 600 page fatwas?

Islamic scholars are like Newton's Third Law of Motion: for every Islamic scholar and fatwa there is an equal and opposite scholar and fatwa.

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Reply #96 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:48am

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

What point should I address?

Has any Islamic scholar criticised the 600 page fatwa against terrorism?

Pretty simple Baron.

How many muslims have read that Fatwa Gandalf?

Is the majority of the Islamic world illiterate, how can they read it?

If Islamic terror was unislamic why did Qadri need 600 pages for his Fatwa?

Does the Qadri Fatwa expose the muslims who claim terror is unislamic as liars?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #97 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 11:25am hmmm "no" expressed as 4 separate rhetorical questions. So many interesting and creative ways to avoid answering the question. Your deft tapdancing is quite impressive.
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Reply #98 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:19pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

What point should I address?

Has any Islamic scholar criticised the 600 page fatwa against terrorism?

Pretty simple Baron.

How many muslims have read that Fatwa Gandalf?

Is the majority of the Islamic world illiterate, how can they read it?

If Islamic terror was unislamic why did Qadri need 600 pages for his Fatwa?

Does the Qadri Fatwa expose the muslims who claim terror is unislamic as liars?

Hang on Baron a minute ago you were explaining to me how Al Awlaki's fatwas are fully endorsed by Islam because we don't know of any specific Islamic condemnations of it. Now when I apply the exact same logic regarding the terrorism fatwa you're all "how many muslims bother reading it" and "most muslims are illiterate". So apparently all muslims are fully versed on an obscure American's rantings and naturally accept it as gospel truth, but we all suddenly transform into illiterate hicks when it comes to literature condemning violence, and thats the only reason no one condemns it.

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Reply #99 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

What point should I address?

Has any Islamic scholar criticised the 600 page fatwa against terrorism?

Pretty simple Baron.

How many muslims have read that Fatwa Gandalf?

Is the majority of the Islamic world illiterate, how can they read it?

If Islamic terror was unislamic why did Qadri need 600 pages for his Fatwa?

Does the Qadri Fatwa expose the muslims who claim terror is unislamic as liars?

Hang on Baron a minute ago you were explaining to me how Al Awlaki's fatwas are fully endorsed by Islam

Can you cite where I mentioned fatwas by Awlaki?

Anwar al Awlaki wrote the book 44 Ways to support Jihad, have any muslims ever been critical of anything in that book?

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Reply #100 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:52pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

"Islamic scholar" - you say that as if being one was in any way the sign of intelligence.

Baron attaches great weight to Islamic scholarly authority. Suggest you take it up with him.

Can you cite where I said that?

Is this an example of Islamic scholars?
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=breastfeeding+fatwa

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Reply #101 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:04pm:

Soren wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

"Islamic scholar" - you say that as if being one was in any way the sign of intelligence.

Baron attaches great weight to Islamic scholarly authority. Suggest you take it up with him.

Can you cite where I said that?

Is this an example of Islamic scholars?
https://www.google.com.au/?gws_rd=ssl#q=breastfeeding+fatwa

Oh, sorry, must have mistaken that all those times you reference islamqa and never fail to mention its the oldest internet Islam scholar, and that he comes from Saudi Arabia - the centre of the Islamic world.

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Reply #102 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:45pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 12:19pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 10:48am:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:44pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:39pm:

What point should I address?

Has any Islamic scholar criticised the 600 page fatwa against terrorism?

Pretty simple Baron.

How many muslims have read that Fatwa Gandalf?

Is the majority of the Islamic world illiterate, how can they read it?

If Islamic terror was unislamic why did Qadri need 600 pages for his Fatwa?

Does the Qadri Fatwa expose the muslims who claim terror is unislamic as liars?

Hang on Baron a minute ago you were explaining to me how Al Awlaki's fatwas are fully endorsed by Islam

Can you cite where I mentioned fatwas by Awlaki?

Anwar al Awlaki wrote the book 44 Ways to support Jihad, have any muslims ever been critical of anything in that book?

right, books by Awlaki - that apparently are so authoritative and so reverred by muslims because there are no known criticisms of it. Thats your argument right? So they may as well be fatwas then.

So why can't I use the same logic to argue that the 600 page fatwa is just as authoritative? Oh thats right, because no one's read them and besides most muslims are illiterate. But we mustn't make that same point when talking about Awlaki's books - no the lack of criticisms of those books can't possibly be because no one has read them, or that most muslims are illiterate.

You get where I'm going Baron? Of course not, you're ignoring it and mulling over your next inane rhetorical question. As you were.

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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Tarek Fatah-Root cause of Islamic terror Reply #103 - Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:26pm polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:38pm: Saudi Arabia - the centre of the Islamic world. And yet - Saudi Arabia gets Islam completely wrong, apparently. Or is Saudi the ideal Muslim state? Please explain.
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Reply #104 - Dec 1^st, 2015 at 3:47pm

Soren wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 7:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Nov 30^th, 2015 at 3:38pm:

Saudi Arabia - the centre of the Islamic world.

And yet - Saudi Arabia gets Islam completely wrong, apparently. Or is Saudi the ideal Muslim state?

Please explain.

Saudi Arabia- the centre of the Islam world - according to Baron.

Not according to gandalf.

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