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Workers vote to cut pay & conditions for jobs
Nov 17th, 2015 at 9:37pm
 
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/illawarra-steel-workers-vote-in-favour-of-...

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Steel workers in the Illawarra have voted to ratify a new enterprise agreement and forfeit working conditions, to keep BlueScope's Port Kembla plant open.

The agreement will trigger 500 job losses, a three-year pay freeze and the loss of various conditions for employees.

More than 1000 workers voted through a secret ballot on Monday and Tuesday, ordered by the Fair Work Commission.

"I'm glad overall that workers realised steel workers have to stick together," Australian Workers Union South Coast Branch Secretary Wayne Phillips said.

"No one likes the agreement, it's not the best thing they've ever done, but in this particular time period, it's the only thing we could have done.

"Whilst I don't think everyone should be clapping their hands I just think that we need to realise it's hard times, the industry is in a bit of a crisis, and members made the right decision," he said.

Mr Phillips said he expects all 220 shop floor redundancies will be voluntary.

"I understand we have about 15 people who are left without a role at this particular point in time, so I'm sure they can be accommodated, but no one out of this whole process have been forced out of a job," he said.

"While it's sad to lose 200 members, it's much better when those positions go on a voluntary means not a forced means."

There were rumblings of discontent over the agreement last week, but Mr Phillips said he's pleased the issues were able to be addressed prior to the vote.

"This agreement has probably been the worst one I've had to negotiate with the conditions that we now face," he said.

"I congratulate every single member who's put this hard time behind them, now let's move forward.

"I really do want to thank the community and the Illawarra for sticking by steel workers and giving them support, it's been a fight from everybody in this region," Mr Phillips said.

The Fair Work Commission will process the new agreement, and it's expected to be in place from Wednesday.


Workers taking a pay cut to allow business to be more competitive and save jobs.  What's the union world coming to?  Taking a dose of common sense I guess?

The same concept as eliminating penalty rates.  Huh

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Reply #1 - Nov 17th, 2015 at 9:44pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-17/illawarra-steel-workers-vote-in-favour-of-...

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Steel workers in the Illawarra have voted to ratify a new enterprise agreement and forfeit working conditions, to keep BlueScope's Port Kembla plant open.

The agreement will trigger 500 job losses, a three-year pay freeze and the loss of various conditions for employees.

More than 1000 workers voted through a secret ballot on Monday and Tuesday, ordered by the Fair Work Commission.

"I'm glad overall that workers realised steel workers have to stick together," Australian Workers Union South Coast Branch Secretary Wayne Phillips said.

"No one likes the agreement, it's not the best thing they've ever done, but in this particular time period, it's the only thing we could have done.

"Whilst I don't think everyone should be clapping their hands I just think that we need to realise it's hard times, the industry is in a bit of a crisis, and members made the right decision," he said.

Mr Phillips said he expects all 220 shop floor redundancies will be voluntary.

"I understand we have about 15 people who are left without a role at this particular point in time, so I'm sure they can be accommodated, but no one out of this whole process have been forced out of a job," he said.

"While it's sad to lose 200 members, it's much better when those positions go on a voluntary means not a forced means."

There were rumblings of discontent over the agreement last week, but Mr Phillips said he's pleased the issues were able to be addressed prior to the vote.

"This agreement has probably been the worst one I've had to negotiate with the conditions that we now face," he said.

"I congratulate every single member who's put this hard time behind them, now let's move forward.

"I really do want to thank the community and the Illawarra for sticking by steel workers and giving them support, it's been a fight from everybody in this region," Mr Phillips said.

The Fair Work Commission will process the new agreement, and it's expected to be in place from Wednesday.


Workers taking a pay cut to allow business to be more competitive and save jobs.  What's the union world coming to?  Taking a dose of common sense I guess?

The same concept as eliminating penalty rates.  Huh


Exactly Swag why cant we all work for less and accept that there should be no compensation for working unsociable hours I blame UNION THUGS!!
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Reply #2 - Nov 17th, 2015 at 9:53pm
 
It's not compensation but supply and demand.  Market forces.

The company must react to market forces or it goes broke.  If it goes broke everyone loses their job.

Friggin common sense.  Something completely lacking in the Union movement for decades.
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Reply #3 - Nov 17th, 2015 at 10:32pm
 
Every time I have seen this done in the past it has backfired on the workers, the process of trying to stay alive the employers have run the company down so far that any possibility of them paying out their employees when it eventually falls over is gone. The employers take the pay cut and in the end finish up with nothing.

Employees taking cuts to pay and conditions does not solve a companies problems when management has run the ship aground. Mostly what happens is that the fundamental business problems are still present. Wages and conditions are never the real problem.

This is a re hash of the same story posted several times now.
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Reply #4 - Nov 17th, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
Swagman wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 9:53pm:
It's not compensation but supply and demand.  Market forces.

The company must react to market forces or it goes broke.  If it goes broke everyone loses their job.

Friggin common sense.  Something completely lacking in the Union movement for decades.



I thought it was the job of 'management' to keep a weather eye on market forces and plan in advance, rather than the time-honoured stress management approach of reacting to every movement in The Force, and blaming the workers.

Are the management taking a pay cut?
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Reply #5 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:16am
 
"Everyone loses their jobs"....

That's a bit over the top as far as being unrealistic.

Just how long do you think that situation would stand with NO ONE in a job?

Employers actually need to pay for the services provided by workers at a fair and reasonable rate, otherwise, the employer won't have a market for their goods...
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Reply #6 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:30am
 
Dnarever wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 10:32pm:
Every time I have seen this done in the past it has backfired on the workers, the process of trying to stay alive the employers have run the company down so far that any possibility of them paying out their employees when it eventually falls over is gone. The employers take the pay cut and in the end finish up with nothing.

Employees taking cuts to pay and conditions does not solve a companies problems when management has run the ship aground. Mostly what happens is that the fundamental business problems are still present. Wages and conditions are never the real problem.

This is a re hash of the same story posted several times now.


I vividly remember a time when my Dad was working for a company struggling to stay afloat. His boss re-mortgaged his family home to keep the business going and his employees (including my Dad) in their jobs. Two years later he had no choice but to close down the business. Mum and Dad moved in here with me and my wife and kids and I gave him a job working for me and they stayed with us here for two years until Dad got a new job back home. Dad's old boss managed to pay out everyone who worked for him with their full entitlement, leaving him with literally nothing more than a caravan for his family of four living in a caravan park. I think he's renting now, but the events of the last few years of that business ruined him financially. You go on and on about employees, but you forget that in SME's, it's the owners of the business shouldering all of the risk and who have a huge financial burden hanging around their neck.
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Reply #7 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:40am
 
Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 10:37pm:
Swagman wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 9:53pm:
It's not compensation but supply and demand.  Market forces.

The company must react to market forces or it goes broke.  If it goes broke everyone loses their job.

Friggin common sense.  Something completely lacking in the Union movement for decades.



I thought it was the job of 'management' to keep a weather eye on market forces and plan in advance, rather than the time-honoured stress management approach of reacting to every movement in The Force, and blaming the workers.

Are the management taking a pay cut?


The company I was with during the GFC immediately froze wages and cut back where they could. They done this so well that they awarded themselves generous bonuses.

The need to take strong action was obvious and essential according to managements view however the company profit was sitting at about $50M over the previous few years and actually improved showing that the truth was substantially different from what management was saying.
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Reply #8 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:42am
 
we could still have a viable car industry here in Australia if it weren't for the greedy Unions, Workers and Directors...

but no matter... while we sit around here whinging about who's to blame other countries will just laugh at us and gear up their own car and manufacturing industries..
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Reply #9 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:45am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:42am:
we could still have a viable car industry here in Australia if it weren't for the greedy Unions, Workers and Directors...

but no matter... while we sit around here whinging about who's to blame other countries will just laugh at us and gear up their own car and manufacturing industries..


we could still have a viable car industry here in Australia if it weren't for The treasurer of the time Joe Hockey telling them to get out.
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Reply #10 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:48am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:42am:
we could still have a viable car industry here in Australia if it weren't for the greedy Unions, Workers and Directors...

but no matter... while we sit around here whinging about who's to blame other countries will just laugh at us and gear up their own car and manufacturing industries..


Well, that's just rubbish...

We would still have a car industry if the manufacturers of cars in Australia actually paid attention to the market instead of relying on tax funded handouts to keep afloat.
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Reply #11 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:22am
 
Phemanderac wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:48am:
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 5:42am:
we could still have a viable car industry here in Australia if it weren't for the greedy Unions, Workers and Directors...

but no matter... while we sit around here whinging about who's to blame other countries will just laugh at us and gear up their own car and manufacturing industries..


Well, that's just rubbish...

We would still have a car industry if the manufacturers of cars in Australia actually paid attention to the market instead of relying on tax funded handouts to keep afloat.


Yes but why should they when they can go anywhere else in the world and get the hand outs in exchange for the massive employment boost they provide.

It is the reverse we see of the liberals on wages and industrial policy, if you want to compete in a world market you have to be able to match your competitors.

As you point out though it was never about wages and conditions it was about government support and concessions there is nothing that employees could have done to save the car manufacturers.

Australian employees joining a race to third world wages and conditions is not going to solve anything.
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Reply #12 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:52am
 
Unions are supposed to represent people and they collected will. 

So Swag (and other libs) happy that workers are paid less.  Not surprised.
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Dnarever wrote on Nov 17th, 2015 at 10:32pm:
Every time I have seen this done in the past it has backfired on the workers, the process of trying to stay alive the employers have run the company down so far that any possibility of them paying out their employees when it eventually falls over is gone. The employers take the pay cut and in the end finish up with nothing.

Employees taking cuts to pay and conditions does not solve a companies problems when management has run the ship aground. Mostly what happens is that the fundamental business problems are still present. Wages and conditions are never the real problem.

This is a re hash of the same story posted several times now.



steelworks run 24/7 they never shut down... to keep it firing they need work .. they need orders...you cannot run a steelworks with half staff..... I think its fantastic that the MEN themselves have done this to help each other..keep their jobs...who knows it could all turn around down the track..if the fires go out.. they would never be started up again....the whole town of Wollongong would die..

well done steelworkers..
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Reply #14 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 7:21am
 
stunspore wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 6:52am:
Unions are supposed to represent people and they collected will. 

So Swag (and other libs) happy that workers are paid less.  Not surprised.



you dont get it do you????.. its about keeping the steelworks... working...when things improve then they negotiate again...in the mean time give a bit of credit to the men.
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