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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #30 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 5:33pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

How do you defeat an enemy that isnt afraid to die ? Another 10 years of boots on the ground will achieve what it did in Iraq and Afghanistan , sfa

You give them what they want - death. You attack with the intention of total annihilation and only complete surrender avoids a bullet.

It's how wars were fought for centuries.

It's untenable, no modern democracy could survive attempting this because social media will show the horror and attempting to curtail that will be almost impossible.

You are basically proposing something that has no chance of being implemented. It's becoming a tired, if horrifying refrain.

What if ISIS were to succeed in another 9/11. Do you think the Yanks would hesitate to wipe them off the map? Do you think anyone would stop them or even complain? ISIS is not just your regular group of terrorists. They ahve set new lows in barbarity. Anyhow, it would all be over before anyone knew.

Not much different from the albanian serbian conflict

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #31 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 5:51pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 2:53pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 12:42pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:21am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Increasing civilian casualties will consume political capital, which is why there is reluctance. At some point the deaths will begin increase domestic pressure.

What else can you do? Besides, most of those civilians that the leadership is surrounding themselves with are families or supporters of IS terrorists. Everyone else has fled. Two birds, one stone.

The issue is that what fills the power vacuum? The states in the area seem entirely incapable of maintaining control.

Political realities exist regardless of the consequences.

Yes, that's arguably where the problem started in the first place.

But can you imagine ANYONE worse than ISIS replacing them? Seriously, has there been a more barbaric group since WW2 and on this scale?

Nope. Even Hamas has criticised the Paris attacks.

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #32 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:11pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

How do you defeat an enemy that isnt afraid to die ? Another 10 years of boots on the ground will achieve what it did in Iraq and Afghanistan , sfa

You give them what they want - death. You attack with the intention of total annihilation and only complete surrender avoids a bullet.

It's how wars were fought for centuries.

It's untenable, no modern democracy could survive attempting this because social media will show the horror and attempting to curtail that will be almost impossible.

You are basically proposing something that has no chance of being implemented. It's becoming a tired, if horrifying refrain.

What if ISIS were to succeed in another 9/11. Do you think the Yanks would hesitate to wipe them off the map? Do you think anyone would stop them or even complain? ISIS is not just your regular group of terrorists. They ahve set new lows in barbarity. Anyhow, it would all be over before anyone knew.

The US’s response to.Sept 11 was to spend a trillion dollars getting Saddam. For some reason, they let al Qaida be.

Yes, dear, if there is another Sept 11, I have no doubt the US would play politics and go for the wrong guy.

History tends to repeat. Always absolutely never ever.

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #33 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 7:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

How do you defeat an enemy that isnt afraid to die ? Another 10 years of boots on the ground will achieve what it did in Iraq and Afghanistan , sfa

You give them what they want - death. You attack with the intention of total annihilation and only complete surrender avoids a bullet.

It's how wars were fought for centuries.

And you think it worked?

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Reply #34 - Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:59pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Increasing civilian casualties will consume political capital, which is why there is reluctance. At some point the deaths will begin increase domestic pressure.

What else can you do? Besides, most of those civilians that the leadership is surrounding themselves with are families or supporters of IS terrorists. Everyone else has fled. Two birds, one stone.

Show your evidence to support this or stfu.

Disclaimer for Mothra per POST so it is forever acknowledged: Saying 'Islam' or 'Muslims' doesn't mean ALL muslims. This does not target individual muslims who's opinion I am not aware of.

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #35 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:10am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:57pm:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:07pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

How do you defeat an enemy that isnt afraid to die ? Another 10 years of boots on the ground will achieve what it did in Iraq and Afghanistan , sfa

You give them what they want - death. You attack with the intention of total annihilation and only complete surrender avoids a bullet.

It's how wars were fought for centuries.

It's untenable, no modern democracy could survive attempting this because social media will show the horror and attempting to curtail that will be almost impossible.

You are basically proposing something that has no chance of being implemented. It's becoming a tired, if horrifying refrain.

What if ISIS were to succeed in another 9/11. Do you think the Yanks would hesitate to wipe them off the map? Do you think anyone would stop them or even complain? ISIS is not just your regular group of terrorists. They ahve set new lows in barbarity. Anyhow, it would all be over before anyone knew.

There will be another 9-11: ISIS has no other purpose but America doesn't own the world. If you take your troops away from home then home is where they will get you.

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #36 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:12am

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:34pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

How do you defeat an enemy that isnt afraid to die ? Another 10 years of boots on the ground will achieve what it did in Iraq and Afghanistan , sfa

You give them what they want - death. You attack with the intention of total annihilation and only complete surrender avoids a bullet.

It's how wars were fought for centuries.

Yeah i don't think they will be giving up anything , even after 20 years of allied boots on the ground nothing will change , it certainly hasnt after 10, if anything it much worse.

A river either grows or it stagnates and dies: ISIS are desperate for attention but recruits have a difficult decision to make.

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #37 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:18am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

This is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Obama and Turnbull are on course to be flogged if they keep up this ludicrous and losing strategy of airstrikes only. It's time for our soldiers to do what they've been trained to do - kill bad guys and the IS terrorists are the worst of the worst.

That's not what the article is saying. It's saying the coalition needs to use the G20 to get everyone on board (read: the locals). It's saying our soldiers should be used in a training capacity.

ISIS are the worst of the worst, but sending infidel Coalition troops in to repeat Iraq and Afghanistan is only going to make matters worse.

Yup, but airpower alone is not going to win this.

How much airpower have ISIS got?

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #38 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:23am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 4:00pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 3:23pm:

How do you defeat an enemy that isnt afraid to die ? Another 10 years of boots on the ground will achieve what it did in Iraq and Afghanistan , sfa

You give them what they want - death. You attack with the intention of total annihilation and only complete surrender avoids a bullet.

It's how wars were fought for centuries.

Some times you actually make sense.... when faced with a remorseless enemy who takes no prisoners....... KIA - LASEO.. Kill Em All - Let Allah Sort Em Out......

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #39 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:25am

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:18am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

This is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Obama and Turnbull are on course to be flogged if they keep up this ludicrous and losing strategy of airstrikes only. It's time for our soldiers to do what they've been trained to do - kill bad guys and the IS terrorists are the worst of the worst.

That's not what the article is saying. It's saying the coalition needs to use the G20 to get everyone on board (read: the locals). It's saying our soldiers should be used in a training capacity.

ISIS are the worst of the worst, but sending infidel Coalition troops in to repeat Iraq and Afghanistan is only going to make matters worse.

Yup, but airpower alone is not going to win this.

How much airpower have ISIS got?

One hell of a lot of hot air generated by killing innocents such as aid workers who actually.. aid them. DUH! They rely on terror not on military skill.

“Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.”
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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #40 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:53am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:25am:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 12:18am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:34pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 1:29pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

This is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Obama and Turnbull are on course to be flogged if they keep up this ludicrous and losing strategy of airstrikes only. It's time for our soldiers to do what they've been trained to do - kill bad guys and the IS terrorists are the worst of the worst.

That's not what the article is saying. It's saying the coalition needs to use the G20 to get everyone on board (read: the locals). It's saying our soldiers should be used in a training capacity.

ISIS are the worst of the worst, but sending infidel Coalition troops in to repeat Iraq and Afghanistan is only going to make matters worse.

Yup, but airpower alone is not going to win this.

How much airpower have ISIS got?

One hell of a lot of hot air generated by killing innocents such as aid workers who actually.. aid them. DUH! They rely on terror not on military skill.

Ok, so I was going to say that the coalition of the willing is simply using their superiority in the air to drum home the message that the enemy have nothing to offer.

I am saying, by implication, that ISIS are not expanding in power and are in fact clinging onto relevance via desperado attacks such as Paris.

I could be wrong, but I am putting forward the supposition that ISIS is in fact on the backfoot.

*Sure....they're anti competitive as any subsidised job is. It wouldn't be there without the tax payer. Very damned difficult for a brainwashed collectivist to understand that I know.... (swaggy) *

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Reply #41 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 5:41am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 11:59pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:07am:

Kytro wrote on Nov 18^th, 2015 at 10:00am:

Increasing civilian casualties will consume political capital, which is why there is reluctance. At some point the deaths will begin increase domestic pressure.

What else can you do? Besides, most of those civilians that the leadership is surrounding themselves with are families or supporters of IS terrorists. Everyone else has fled. Two birds, one stone.

Show your evidence to support this or be quiet.

If you read more than Fauxfacts and Crikey, you'd know this is common knowledge.

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Reply #42 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:10am

There is nothing awesomely difficult about beating ISIS, they have fought a conventional war (in the middle east) so conventional warfare is what will beat them. They simply have not met the type of resistance a well trained military will give them.

So, beating them is no big deal.

However, what is the plan after they're beaten?

Will it be ok say, in ten or fifteen years time when we still have troops "stationed" in ME to "keep the peace"?

Will it be ok when the resource costs to keep the peace and help rebuild become significant dollar figures?

Will it be ok to have a few million more refuges fleeing our shared carnage, I mean, after all, we have been so welcoming to refugees up to date...

So, winning is the easy bit, but not a whole lot of thought seems to be going into "what then?"

This is the typical irresponsible attitude of extremists, the angry, the haters and war mongers.... All some are considering is the fight and not the aftermath.

Sad reality is, we absolutely have to do "something" now, however, in line with the "typical" behaviours listed above, those going hard core for the fight, take absolutely no responsibility for their part in the creation of this war.

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Re: Peter Jennings: How we can defeat ISIS
Reply #43 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:33am

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:10am:

]There is nothing awesomely difficult about beating ISIS, they have fought a conventional war [/highlight](in the middle east) so conventional warfare is what will beat them. They simply have not met the type of resistance a well trained military will give them.

So, beating them is no big deal.

However, what is the plan after they're beaten?

Will it be ok say, in ten or fifteen years time when we still have troops "stationed" in ME to "keep the peace"?

Will it be ok when the resource costs to keep the peace and help rebuild become significant dollar figures?

Will it be ok to have a few million more refuges fleeing our shared carnage, I mean, after all, we have been so welcoming to refugees up to date...

So, winning is the easy bit, but not a whole lot of thought seems to be going into "what then?"

This is the typical irresponsible attitude of extremists, the angry, the haters and war mongers.... All some are considering is the fight and not the aftermath.

Sad reality is, we absolutely have to do "something" now, however, in line with the "typical" behaviours listed above, those going hard core for the fight, take absolutely no responsibility for their part in the creation of this war.

you must be watching a different "WAR" to the one I am watching....

I dont see body bombers deliberately blowing up innocents as 'conventional'...

not do I see take no prisoners chop their head off... as conventional warfare...either...

nor do I see their "WAR" only applying to the ME...

so you believe people DEFENDING themselves are in fact CREATING the problem???...

winning is easy.....REALLY?...

wherever did you hear that?

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Reply #44 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:50am

cods wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:33am:

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 6:10am:

]There is nothing awesomely difficult about beating ISIS, they have fought a conventional war [/highlight](in the middle east) so conventional warfare is what will beat them. They simply have not met the type of resistance a well trained military will give them.

So, beating them is no big deal.

However, what is the plan after they're beaten?

Will it be ok say, in ten or fifteen years time when we still have troops "stationed" in ME to "keep the peace"?

Will it be ok when the resource costs to keep the peace and help rebuild become significant dollar figures?

Will it be ok to have a few million more refuges fleeing our shared carnage, I mean, after all, we have been so welcoming to refugees up to date...

So, winning is the easy bit, but not a whole lot of thought seems to be going into "what then?"

This is the typical irresponsible attitude of extremists, the angry, the haters and war mongers.... All some are considering is the fight and not the aftermath.

Sad reality is, we absolutely have to do "something" now, however, in line with the "typical" behaviours listed above, those going hard core for the fight, take absolutely no responsibility for their part in the creation of this war.

you must be watching a different "WAR" to the one I am watching....

I dont see body bombers deliberately blowing up innocents as 'conventional'...

not do I see take no prisoners chop their head off... as conventional warfare...either...

nor do I see their "WAR" only applying to the ME...

so you believe people DEFENDING themselves are in fact CREATING the problem???...

winning is easy.....REALLY?...

wherever did you hear that?

Same war, just different perspectives...

Firstly, on the ground in the ME - ISIS have fought using conventional fighting methods, this would be why they have CAPTURED AND CONTINUE TO HOLD so much ground Cods, same war. This is why I specified the ME as well...

I thought it obvious (ok, that assumption was wrong) that act of terrorism, whilst part of this expanding fight, were not part of what I was talking about, because, and this may have escaped your notice - the THREAD is about beating ISIS...

Yep, beating them is easy, take the fight up to them with trained forces, it will be over very quickly.

We will suffer losses though...

As to how prisoners can be treated, I can only recommend you re-read some history...No one has a great record with prisoner treatment...

So, in line with the OP the discussion is about how to beat ISIS, that fight will be on the ground in the ME and bombing the crap out of them will not win a war... Sad but true.

As such, the points that I made stand. If you wanna stop the "bombings" and "head cutting of" incidents then Cods, it is gonna come down to face to face confrontation. Or do you have some other idea about how this "FIGHT" is actually going to go?

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