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Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:44pm
 
https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/30113854/muslim-party-launched-in-wake-of-paris/

The founder of a new Islamic political party insists it'll bring Australians together amid concerns it could drive a wedge between Muslims and non-Muslims.

Diaa Mohamed says his Australian Muslim Party is about giving Muslims a platform to express themselves.

Opposition Leader Bill Shorten said it was important everyone had a say but raised concerns about bringing religion into politics.

"I don't necessarily want to see religion being a lighting rod for people being for or against a particular party," he told reporters in Cairns.

"I don't think that is going to help the debate about inclusion and multiculturalism."

Mr Mohamed rejected claims a party based on religion is divisive, insisting people of all faiths are welcome to join.

"There's a lot of parties out there that are religion-based, so I think it's a non-issue," Mr Mohamed told AAP on Tuesday.

He's also defended his decision to launch days after the deadly Paris terrorist attacks, insisting it had been planned weeks ago.

He'd contemplated calling off the launch on the weekend but thought it would be "insincere" to move it.

"Unless you're blaming all Muslims directly for what happened ... then it shouldn't sound insensitive at all," he said.

Senior government figure Christopher Pyne doubted a religious-based party would be very successful, saying Australia was a "secular, pluralist society".

"People can launch whatever political parties they choose ... as long as they comply with the law," he said.

Mr Mohamed said major parties were concerned with pushing their own agendas and toeing the party line.

Jill Sheppard, lecturer at the Australian National University's school of politics and international relations, said the new party would counter the recent rise in anti-immigration parties like the Rise Up Australia Party.

"This redresses that imbalance a little bit - the very loud anti-immigration voices tend to get more attention than they deserve," she said.

It could also help young Muslims feel more engaged with the community and politics, she said.

The party needs 500 members before it can be officially registered.

It intends to submit candidates in every state in the hope of winning a Senate seat at the next federal election.
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Reply #1 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:47pm
 
Geesus Maqqa, your title is rather a long stretch.
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Reply #2 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:52pm
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Geesus Maqqa, your title is rather a long stretch.


Jovial

I am going to call anyone from the left a racist and/or an Islamophobic every time they raise the issue

This is me serving up humble pie. This is the only way you diminish lefties demonising and flood discussions with name calling

Lets have a proper debate rather than demonising people because they don't agree with you

Should I call a truce with the left? Happy to
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Reply #3 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:54pm
 
I think most people would be concerned, given the timing and the situation re terrorism.

But, I'll reserve my judgement until I have more facts (not propaganda) on which to base my decision.
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Reply #4 - Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:58pm
 
I didn't see Shorten condemning the Christian Democrats for bringing religion into politics....Although I agree with his sentiment I fail to see why he only chose to comment on the Muslim Party???

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philperth2010 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:58pm:
I didn't see Shorten condemning the Christian Democrats for bringing religion into politics....Although I agree with his sentiment I fail to see why he only chose to comment on the Muslim Party???

Huh Huh Huh


Which is why he's an Islamophobe
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Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:41am
 
Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:58pm:
I didn't see Shorten condemning the Christian Democrats for bringing religion into politics....Although I agree with his sentiment I fail to see why he only chose to comment on the Muslim Party???

Huh Huh Huh


Which is why he's an Islamophobe


I don't think so....I think he is an opportunist who would take advantage of a tragedy to score cheep political points....Much in the vein of Tony Abbott and John Howard....And you for that matter!!!

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Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:43am
 
Kat wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:54pm:
I think most people would be concerned, given the timing and the situation re terrorism.

But, I'll reserve my judgement until I have more facts (not propaganda) on which to base my decision.


The right have propaganda - not facts.

You'll be waiting an awful long time.

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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:46am
 
Kat wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:54pm:
I think most people would be concerned, given the timing and the situation re terrorism.

But, I'll reserve my judgement until I have more facts (not propaganda) on which to base my decision.


From the OP Kat!!!

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He's also defended his decision to launch days after the deadly Paris terrorist attacks, insisting it had been planned weeks ago.

He'd contemplated calling off the launch on the weekend but thought it would be "insincere" to move it.

"Unless you're blaming all Muslims directly for what happened ... then it shouldn't sound insensitive at all," he said.


Huh Huh Huh
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:59am
 
So what, liberal party, CDP, family first, are not religious parties?  Someone tell their members.
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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 1:24am
 
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:41am:
Maqqa wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 12:04am:
philperth2010 wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:58pm:
I didn't see Shorten condemning the Christian Democrats for bringing religion into politics....Although I agree with his sentiment I fail to see why he only chose to comment on the Muslim Party???

Huh Huh Huh


Which is why he's an Islamophobe


I don't think so....I think he is an opportunist who would take advantage of a tragedy to score cheep political points....Much in the vein of Tony Abbott and John Howard....And you for that matter!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


AND loving it!!  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:23am
 
Not sure where I sit on this, but he raised no objections that I know of when Fred Nile established his Christian party in NSW parliament. Then again, the Church isn't carrying out suicide bombings and killing people indiscriminately, even those sitting helplessly in wheelchairs.
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:33am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:23am:
Not sure where I sit on this, but he raised no objections that I know of when Fred Nile established his Christian party in NSW parliament. Then again, the Church isn't carrying out suicide bombings and killing people indiscriminately, even those sitting helplessly in wheelchairs.


and there's the difference...

Islam is a way of life including Sharia Law..

everyone else fits into Australian law and the Australian way of life...
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Reply #13 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 6:03am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:33am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 5:23am:
Not sure where I sit on this, but he raised no objections that I know of when Fred Nile established his Christian party in NSW parliament. Then again, the Church isn't carrying out suicide bombings and killing people indiscriminately, even those sitting helplessly in wheelchairs.


and there's the difference...

Islam is a way of life including Sharia Law..

everyone else fits into Australian law and the Australian way of life...



well not everybody thats why our jails are full... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

when it suits we judge the whole by the few .. yet we hate being judged the same way by others... Embarrassed

its a sad fact we see others faults but not our own...

its time we stopped being so bloody judgemental..

that goes for all not just the few.. Angry Angry
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 7:39am
 
Maqqa wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:52pm:
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 18th, 2015 at 10:47pm:
Geesus Maqqa, your title is rather a long stretch.


Jovial

I am going to call anyone from the left a racist and/or an Islamophobic every time they raise the issue

This is me serving up humble pie. This is the only way you diminish lefties demonising and flood discussions with name calling

Lets have a proper debate rather than demonising people because they don't agree with you

Should I call a truce with the left? Happy to

Moving away from reality doesn’t help.

A lot of the Right DOES demonise people, like the poor b*st*rds we have in our prison camps up north. In other words, the Right seems to be driven by xenophobia, no way to arrive at sensible policy.

Note I used prisons not concentration camps in the interest of moving to sensible debate.
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