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Abbott’s clarity is creating anxiety for Turnbull
Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:40am
 
FEAR of Tony Abbott is corrupting the Turnbull Government’s judgment in fighting the Islamic State.

One potential result: new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull backs the failed policy of US President Barack Obama.

The clearest evidence of anti-Abbott sentiment influencing the Government came when Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop this week misrepresented Abbott to discredit his argument that ground troops were needed to defeat IS. Abbott as PM repeatedly encouraged Obama and his officials to step up the US-led war on IS and in a speech in London last month called publicly for ground troops. Abbott repeated those calls after terrorists linked to IS murdered 129 people in Paris.

That unsettled Turnbull, according to insiders and journalists travelling with him. Turnbull cannot afford to look weaker on national security. Yet 15 months of the desultory US-led operation against IS suggest Abbott is right. Bombing has achieved little. IS has pulled back in some areas, but still controls eight million people and it is strong enough to have claimed credit not just for the Paris attacks, but for the downing of a Russian airliner and suicide bombings in Beirut.

Now even the White House press corps, usually so supportive, has turned on Obama after the Paris horror, which occurred just hours after Obama boasted on television he’d “contained” IS.

In an unusually hostile press conference this week, all but one question suggested Obama had failed. Yet Turnbull in his meeting with Obama this week instantly endorsed the President’s latest limp strategy — no ground troops, more co-operation with Russia’s bombing raids and a “political solution” — a “power sharing between various groups” in Syria that somehow accommodates supporters of the genocidal IS.

No wonder Abbott’s clarity makes Turnbull nervous. Then Bishop, a close Turnbull ally, this week smeared Abbott when he argued in The Australian for troops to be sent “preferably with Sunni states such as Turkey, Egypt and Jordan, as well as with the US, Britain and France”.

But Bishop falsely implied Abbott was an idiot who actually wanted Australia to invade alone, unilaterally: “As Tony Abbott well knows, Australia does not act unilaterally,” she sniped.

It suggested the Government does not dare discuss frankly the options in Syria — or why it’s doubling down on the strategy of a catastrophically weak President.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/tony-abbotts-clarity-is-creating-a...
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Re: Abbott’s clarity is creating anxiety for Turnbull
Reply #1 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:46am
 
Not having troops in Syria is logical and nothing to do with the harping hard right.

As much as the daily terror wants to create a storm in a tea cup so to undermine Turnbull, the majority of Australian will oppose the conservatives warmongering.
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Reply #2 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:51am
 
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:46am:
Not having troops in Syria is logical and nothing to do with the harping hard right.

As much as the daily terror wants to create a storm in a tea cup so to undermine Turnbull, the majority of Australian will oppose the conservatives warmongering.


Because the bombing campaign by warplanes has been so effective, hasn't it?
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Reply #3 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:16am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:40am:
FEAR of Tony Abbott is corrupting the Turnbull Government’s judgment in fighting the Islamic State.

One potential result: new Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull backs the failed policy of US President Barack Obama.

The clearest evidence of anti-Abbott sentiment influencing the Government came when Foreign Affairs Minister Julie Bishop this week misrepresented Abbott to discredit his argument that ground troops were needed to defeat IS. Abbott as PM repeatedly encouraged Obama and his officials to step up the US-led war on IS and in a speech in London last month called publicly for ground troops. Abbott repeated those calls after terrorists linked to IS murdered 129 people in Paris.

That unsettled Turnbull, according to insiders and journalists travelling with him. Turnbull cannot afford to look weaker on national security. Yet 15 months of the desultory US-led operation against IS suggest Abbott is right. Bombing has achieved little. IS has pulled back in some areas, but still controls eight million people and it is strong enough to have claimed credit not just for the Paris attacks, but for the downing of a Russian airliner and suicide bombings in Beirut.

Now even the White House press corps, usually so supportive, has turned on Obama after the Paris horror, which occurred just hours after Obama boasted on television he’d “contained” IS.

In an unusually hostile press conference this week, all but one question suggested Obama had failed. Yet Turnbull in his meeting with Obama this week instantly endorsed the President’s latest limp strategy — no ground troops, more co-operation with Russia’s bombing raids and a “political solution” — a “power sharing between various groups” in Syria that somehow accommodates supporters of the genocidal IS.

No wonder Abbott’s clarity makes Turnbull nervous. Then Bishop, a close Turnbull ally, this week smeared Abbott when he argued in The Australian for troops to be sent “preferably with Sunni states such as Turkey, Egypt and Jordan, as well as with the US, Britain and France”.


This is the solution the global community is working on behind closed doors. Turkey and Egypt aren't in yet.

But an Abbott-friendly journalist writes a piece deliberately attempting to create division on foreign policy. And that's not white-anting the new PM?
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Reply #4 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:26am
 
Loving the disunity in the Libs, makes a Labor win at the next election even more certain.

Come on Libs, you can do it, knife Turncoat and reinstate the thug. Bwahahahahahahaha!
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Reply #5 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:27am
 


Abbott’s clarity ?




Like almost all pollies in Western nations today, Tony Abbott is/was a populist [a poll follower], imo.

Malcolm Turnbull 10 x more so, imo.



Every 'democracy' of the Western nations today, imo, has morphed into a 'machine' which attracts and promotes and fabricates, low, base, morally corrupt persons.

'democracy' of the Western nations today, imo, is a 'machine' which by default, promotes low, base, morally corrupt persons, who enter politics because they seek power, and the praise of their peers [other low, base, morally corrupt people!].




And until men learn to love what is true, it will ever be so, imo.





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Among a people generally corrupt, liberty cannot long exist.
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I can understand a child being afraid of the dark, but I cannot understand an adult being afraid of the light.
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"Remember, democracy never lasts long.
It soon wastes, exhausts and murders itself.
There was never a democracy yet that didn't commit suicide."
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise.
Indeed, it has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except for all of the other forms which have been tried from time to time.
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Proverbs 12:17
He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness...




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Human freedom is inextricably bound up with the personal and moral responsibility of the individual, imo.

No ?????



Unfortunately, it seems true, that some/many people will only ever choose to abuse the freedoms [and rights] which they have access to.

Especially so, imo, if those freedoms and rights have simply been 'gifted' to persons/individuals [and not 'purchased' with some cost].


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Re: Abbott’s clarity is creating anxiety for Turnbull
Reply #6 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:30am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:51am:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:46am:
Not having troops in Syria is logical and nothing to do with the harping hard right.

As much as the daily terror wants to create a storm in a tea cup so to undermine Turnbull, the majority of Australian will oppose the conservatives warmongering.


Because the bombing campaign by warplanes has been so effective, hasn't it?


you were the one supporting a bombing campaign  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #7 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:56am
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:30am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:51am:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:46am:
Not having troops in Syria is logical and nothing to do with the harping hard right.

As much as the daily terror wants to create a storm in a tea cup so to undermine Turnbull, the majority of Australian will oppose the conservatives warmongering.


Because the bombing campaign by warplanes has been so effective, hasn't it?


you were the one supporting a bombing campaign  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yep, and now it's been proven to be ineffective. Time to move on to ground troops because too many times Coalition jets are returning to base with full loads of weapons because the couldn't drop them due to targets surrounding themselves with civilians.
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Reply #8 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:57am
 
South Viet Nam, Afghanistan all over again.
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Reply #9 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:07am
 
America has a history of pulling out too soon. They celebrated too soon for victory in Iraq then pulled out before Iraqi security forces were ready to take over. The same is happening in Afghanistan. By comparison, when Howard lead Australia against Indonesia over the independence of East Timor, we saw the birth of a prosperous, free, democratic brand new country right on our doorstep. Relations with Indonesia were strained due to the presence of Australian troops, but nothing worse. I reckon if Australia had lead the planning of operations in Syria with Howard as PM, we'd be seeing a far different result - a far more desirable result.
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Reply #10 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:24am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:56am:
Time to move on to ground troops because too many times Coalition jets are returning to base with full loads of weapons because the couldn't drop them due to targets surrounding themselves with civilians.



I look forward to seeing you in uniform boarding a Troop plane.

No, thought not, as long as it's someone else doing the killing & dying.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:07am:
I reckon if Australia had lead the planning of operations in Syria with Howard as PM, we'd be seeing a far different result - a far more desirable result.


OMFG

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Reply #11 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:25am
 
All I can say is I'm glad Abbott is gone, he would only try harder to whip up fear with nonsense rhetoric.
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Reply #12 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:25am
 
Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:24am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:56am:
Time to move on to ground troops because too many times Coalition jets are returning to base with full loads of weapons because the couldn't drop them due to targets surrounding themselves with civilians.



I look forward to seeing you in uniform boarding a Troop plane.

No, thought not, as long as it's someone else doing the killing & dying.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:07am:
I reckon if Australia had lead the planning of operations in Syria with Howard as PM, we'd be seeing a far different result - a far more desirable result.


OMFG

http://www.plognark.com/Art/Sketches/Blogsketches/2008/thestupiditburns.jpg


Yep, you've got nothing. Just stupid.
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Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:56am:
John Smith wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 9:30am:
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:51am:
____ wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 8:46am:
Not having troops in Syria is logical and nothing to do with the harping hard right.

As much as the daily terror wants to create a storm in a tea cup so to undermine Turnbull, the majority of Australian will oppose the conservatives warmongering.


Because the bombing campaign by warplanes has been so effective, hasn't it?


you were the one supporting a bombing campaign  Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


Yep, and now it's been proven to be ineffective. Time to move on to ground troops because too many times Coalition jets are returning to base with full loads of weapons because the couldn't drop them due to targets surrounding themselves with civilians.



When troops on the ground don't work ... like before in Australia's defeats in Iraq and Afghanistan?
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Reply #14 - Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:28am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19th, 2015 at 10:07am:
America has a history of pulling out too soon. They celebrated too soon for victory in Iraq then pulled out before Iraqi security forces were ready to take over. The same is happening in Afghanistan. By comparison, when Howard lead Australia against Indonesia over the independence of East Timor, we saw the birth of a prosperous, free, democratic brand new country right on our doorstep. Relations with Indonesia were strained due to the presence of Australian troops, but nothing worse. I reckon if Australia had lead the planning of operations in Syria with Howard as PM, we'd be seeing a far different result - a far more desirable result.


The US was in Iraq for twice the length of WWI, Armchair. The problems in Iraq are not to do with any lack of US involvement, but the decisions they made during the occupation. The biggest mistake they made was ousting the Ba'athists (or ex-Ba'athists) from positions of power. Many of those Ba'athists went elsewhere, including ISIL. They took their weapons and their connections. And they took their grievances.

Howard wasn't involved in the post-war planning. But he was an active member of the so-called Coalition of the Willing. His decision to commit to the invasion of Iraq was the biggest folly the world has seen this century. Not only did it destroy any semblance of security in the Middle East, it saw the US lose its grip on power. It saw a trillion added to the US deficit, and for nothing. The result of the Iraq invasion was the creation of ISIS.

And this is why Obama is so "weak" today. The US has lost its grip on both hard and soft power in the Middle East. This has created a vacuum Iran and now Russia has jumped in to fill.
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