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Turnbull contradicts himself!!!
Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:16pm

"Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull described Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad as a “murderous tyrant” and suggested ISIL cannot be defeated while he remains in power. But the PM left open the option of accepting Assad remaining in an interim role as part of a ceasefire being brokered by the US, Russia and major players in the region."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/apec-summit-pm-malcolm-turnbull-desc...

Either Assad has to go or he has a role to play in brokering a ceasefire. Make up your mind, Malcolm!

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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96033 Gender:	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #1 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm Mr Abbott would never change his mind. Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge.
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oh dear Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 715 Gender:	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #2 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01pm Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm: Mr Abbott would never change his mind. Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge. " We have a plan the plan is working we're sticking with the plan''
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____ Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 33410 Australia Gender:	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #3 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:13pm Abbott was a yes man ... yes man to both sides of the fence. No wonder shorten saw him off.
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Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!!
Reply #4 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm

oh dear wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

Mr Abbott would never change his mind.

Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge.

" We have a plan the plan is working we're sticking with the plan'' Wink

So they changed the plan, so what?

We have no chance of good government now. This Turnbull fellow can’t even say what he’ll do and do what he says.

Shirtfront him.

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Reply #5 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:28pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

Mr Abbott would never change his mind.

Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge.

" We have a plan the plan is working we're sticking with the plan'' Wink

So they changed the plan, so what?

We have no chance of good government now. This Turnbull fellow can’t even say what he’ll do and do what he says.

Shirtfront him.

Refreshing to see Turnbulls calm and considered approach of how to formulate a strategy to defeat ISIS after hearing Abbotts strategy of bombs bombs and more bombs.

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Reply #6 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:36pm

oh dear wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

Mr Abbott would never change his mind.

Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge.

" We have a plan the plan is working we're sticking with the plan'' Wink

So they changed the plan, so what?

We have no chance of good government now. This Turnbull fellow can’t even say what he’ll do and do what he says.

Shirtfront him.

Refreshing to see Turnbulls calm and considered approach of how to formulate a strategy to defeat ISIS after hearing Abbotts strategy of bombs bombs and more bombs.

No no, you’ve got it all wrong. Mr Abbott wants Australia to invade.

Under-promise and over-deliver, that’s Mr Abbott’s motto.

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Reply #7 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:40pm

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:36pm:

oh dear wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:28pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:16pm:

oh dear wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 10:01pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm:

Mr Abbott would never change his mind.

Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge.

" We have a plan the plan is working we're sticking with the plan'' Wink

So they changed the plan, so what?

We have no chance of good government now. This Turnbull fellow can’t even say what he’ll do and do what he says.

Shirtfront him.

Refreshing to see Turnbulls calm and considered approach of how to formulate a strategy to defeat ISIS after hearing Abbotts strategy of bombs bombs and more bombs.

No no, you’ve got it all wrong. Mr Abbott wants Australia to invade.

Under-promise and over-deliver, that’s Mr Abbott’s motto.

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Reply #8 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:06pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:16pm:

"Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull described Syrian dictator Bashar al-Assad as a “murderous tyrant” and suggested ISIL cannot be defeated while he remains in power. But the PM left open the option of accepting Assad remaining in an interim role as part of a ceasefire being brokered by the US, Russia and major players in the region."

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/world/apec-summit-pm-malcolm-turnbull-desc...

Either Assad has to go or he has a role to play in brokering a ceasefire.

Make up your mind, Malcolm!

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It is really a stretch of our credibility, ....for our political leaders to try to convince us [from the public declarations and assurances which they make], .......that our political leaders have any sort of a grasp upon reality, or of the real world, ....the world which all of the rest of us are compelled to live in, and 'contend' with.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1444914165/0#0

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #9 - Nov 19^th, 2015 at 11:47pm

As I said the other day - you've got a 4-way stand-off here.

(1) Assad was challenged some 18 months ago. But he survived by promising to improve. Obama believed him but he hasn't improved. What's worse he enlist the help of ISIS to control his political opposition i.e. you help me and I'll give you Raqqa

(2) Russia is close to Assad. He's asked Russia to help bomb the opposition. But now they want revenge on ISIS

(3) France wants revenge on ISIS

(4) America and the major of the UN wants Assad out

Assad knows he has to go. If he is "dethroned" then he and his supporters will lose face. They are not going to do this. Rather than just leave - there must be a transition or hand-over period. This is what Turnbull is referring to

We see this "transition" strategy work well in Burma in recent times. It gives the departing party to "save face".

Look to Iraq and Libya as example where someone is dethroned. It ain't going too well.

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Bill 14% is not the alcohol content of that wine. It's your poll number

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President Elect, The Mechanic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17501 Gender:	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #10 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:42am it seems to be a trend with Turncoat.. he's always having a bet each way trying not to upset anyone... indecisive and weak..
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #11 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:46am President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:42am: it seems to be a trend with Turncoat.. he's always having a bet each way trying not to upset anyone... indecisive and weak.. yeah its sort of Krudd Mk111......if you get my drift... oh well it suits the POLLS
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Reply #12 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 6:37am

Can't really be critical of Turnstyles on this one, no world leader has any idea of what to do on this and the reality is that Australia have no say in the outcome especially with Julie and Tony making sure that we would not be part of the process.

The reality is that Turnbull and Australia will have to accept the decision made by the other world leaders and there is nothing that Turnbull or any other Australian leader can or could have done about it.

At the moment it looks like if you want to fight ISIS you have to put up with the other problem for a time at least.

Nobody likes the options available but many think that it is the least bad option available.

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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25983 Gender:	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #13 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:04am Karnal wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:58pm: Mr Abbott would never change his mind. Thank heavens the grown-ups were once in charge. This isn't about changing your mind. In the same press conference Turnbull has contradicted himself.
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Armchair_Politician Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 25983 Gender:	Re: Turnbull contradicts himself!!! Reply #14 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:05am President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:42am: it seems to be a trend with Turncoat.. he's always having a bet each way trying not to upset anyone... indecisive and weak.. He almost seems afraid to put anyone offside.
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