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Reply #75 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am
 
Labor didn't partake in the last election?
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Reply #76 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:13am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:12am:
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A refresher of Labor's machinations

After extensive policy design work and economic analysis, Rudd’s government developed the legislation for an ETS, naming it the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme (CPRS). Although the intention was to introduce the scheme in July 2010, it was twice rejected by the Senate when the then opposition leader Malcom Turnbull lost his position to Tony Abbott, mainly over Turnbull’s support for the CPRS, and the Greens failed to support the legislation.

Rather than take up the trigger of a double dissolution election, the Rudd government instead opted, in April 2010, to defer the CPRS.

Julia Gillard deposed Rudd as prime minister in June 2010, and went to the 2010 election having infamously declared “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. Once elected, Gillard worked diligently with a Multi-Party Committee on Climate Change comprising the government and its parliamentary supporters, including independents and the Greens. The result was the Clean Energy Future package, consisting of a successor to the CPRS (inevitably branded the carbon tax), as well as other complementary mechanisms and new agencies such as the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. This was passed into law in 2011 with the support of the Greens.

The central element of the new ETS was that it would begin with a fixed permit price of A$23 per tonne of CO2 from July 1, 2012, and would move to a market-based pricing scheme three years later. This fixed price was a compromise between extreme views, but broadly consistent with existing projections for the European carbon price. It came badly unstuck.

First, the European carbon price collapsed, leaving Australia’s price open to being labelled as unreasonably high and likely to deliver more economic damage than environmental benefit.

Second, it opened the door for Tony Abbott to label the scheme as nothing more than a “great big tax”.

Worse followed for Labor as a result of Gillard’s decision not to play semantics and to allow the “carbon tax” label to stick. She subsequently acknowledged the terrible political price she paid for not arguing against a fixed carbon price being labelled a tax.

Not only was the government unable to sell the benefit of its policy, it failed to overcome the accusation that Gillard had misled the electorate in the election campaign. Abbott was then elected in 2013, with the axing of the tax as a key commitment. He executed that task in July 2014.

http://grattan.edu.au/news/the-latest-turn-in-the-twisty-history-of-labors-clima...



excuses... excuses... excuses.

Greens voted AGAINST the CPRS and that is the only fact that matters. Greens are not a party of principle. They are a party of mindless protest much of the time and the rest, just a mindless party, period.


And the Libs are a party of principle?  How many of their policies have now being sidelined as a result of being poll driven?



When people support your stance, it is considered bad form to them attack them. There are other threads for that.

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Reply #77 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am
 
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Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.
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Reply #78 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:47am
 
Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:29am:
Can you imagine Green_10% doing the laundry?

No soap, no water needed, just the spin cycle.



thats TWICE you've said something good!
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Reply #79 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:48am
 
mariacostel wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:13am:
mariacostel wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:12am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:00am:
A refresher of Labor's machinations

After extensive policy design work and economic analysis, Rudd’s government developed the legislation for an ETS, naming it the Carbon Pollution Reduction Scheme (CPRS). Although the intention was to introduce the scheme in July 2010, it was twice rejected by the Senate when the then opposition leader Malcom Turnbull lost his position to Tony Abbott, mainly over Turnbull’s support for the CPRS, and the Greens failed to support the legislation.

Rather than take up the trigger of a double dissolution election, the Rudd government instead opted, in April 2010, to defer the CPRS.

Julia Gillard deposed Rudd as prime minister in June 2010, and went to the 2010 election having infamously declared “there will be no carbon tax under the government I lead”. Once elected, Gillard worked diligently with a Multi-Party Committee on Climate Change comprising the government and its parliamentary supporters, including independents and the Greens. The result was the Clean Energy Future package, consisting of a successor to the CPRS (inevitably branded the carbon tax), as well as other complementary mechanisms and new agencies such as the Clean Energy Finance Corporation. This was passed into law in 2011 with the support of the Greens.

The central element of the new ETS was that it would begin with a fixed permit price of A$23 per tonne of CO2 from July 1, 2012, and would move to a market-based pricing scheme three years later. This fixed price was a compromise between extreme views, but broadly consistent with existing projections for the European carbon price. It came badly unstuck.

First, the European carbon price collapsed, leaving Australia’s price open to being labelled as unreasonably high and likely to deliver more economic damage than environmental benefit.

Second, it opened the door for Tony Abbott to label the scheme as nothing more than a “great big tax”.

Worse followed for Labor as a result of Gillard’s decision not to play semantics and to allow the “carbon tax” label to stick. She subsequently acknowledged the terrible political price she paid for not arguing against a fixed carbon price being labelled a tax.

Not only was the government unable to sell the benefit of its policy, it failed to overcome the accusation that Gillard had misled the electorate in the election campaign. Abbott was then elected in 2013, with the axing of the tax as a key commitment. He executed that task in July 2014.

http://grattan.edu.au/news/the-latest-turn-in-the-twisty-history-of-labors-clima...



excuses... excuses... excuses.

Greens voted AGAINST the CPRS and that is the only fact that matters. Greens are not a party of principle. They are a party of mindless protest much of the time and the rest, just a mindless party, period.


And the Libs are a party of principle?  How many of their policies have now being sidelined as a result of being poll driven?



When people support your stance, it is considered bad form to them attack them. There are other threads for that.



You support an even worse evil than the greens.   You supported a tony led liberal party, the very notion of populist bullcrap gone wrong!
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Reply #80 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.
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Reply #81 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am
 
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?
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Reply #82 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?



Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.
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Reply #83 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:19am
 
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?



Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.

No i forgot, greens principle is to implement a policy that lasts not even 2 years and fundamentally destroys the debate in the country.
WELL DONE GREENS
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Reply #84 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:21am
 
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?



Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.


Why all greens polices are impotent! Wink
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Reply #85 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:25am
 
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:19am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?



Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.

No i forgot, greens principle is to implement a policy that lasts not even 2 years and fundamentally destroys the debate in the country.
WELL DONE GREENS



The policy only lasted two years because of Labor's inability to defend and sell it's own policies.
The same attribute in Shorten. An inability to defend and sell Labor's position.

Will Greens be responsible for Shorten losing the next election too?
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Reply #86 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:26am
 
aussie100percent wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:21am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?



Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.


Why all greens polices are impotent! Wink



No where was that claimed.
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Reply #87 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 1:49pm
 
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Dnarever wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 7:37am:
Greens does not understand that irrespective of the Greens polling numbers or vote that they are the biggest loser in any election won by the Liberals.

Having more Greens senators being ignored in parliament makes no difference to green policy or environment issues.

At the moment the Greens seem to have captain stupid in charge who also does not understand this obvious fact.



When push comes to shove, is there really that much difference between the two olds besides a little window dressing.
Look how labor has turned it's back on workers by supporting the China FTA, and labor's support of the TPP.

And when measuring stupidity of leadership ...  finally a winner for labor.



Ask yourself who tried to push trough a carbon trading scheme that was blocked by the Liberals and greens and then again who implemented a fixed price on carbon and who dismantled it.

Yes there is a huge difference on green issues between Labor and the Liberals.

As Hissy Pyne once said he has the solution to all green issues - green concrete. Nothing has changed except for green socks on saint Patricks day.

It is an indisputable fact that Labor plus the greens can get action on environmental matters and the Liberal plus the Greens will result in a lot of laughter about the prospect of environmental change.
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Reply #88 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:06pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.



last election they could have argued until they were blue in the face while the libs said nothing and Abbott would still have won. ...

labor lost because of their internal turmoil. It had nothing to do with policies.
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Reply #89 - Nov 20th, 2015 at 2:07pm
 
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:26am:
aussie100percent wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:21am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:15am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 10:04am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:51am:
sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:46am:
____ wrote on Nov 20th, 2015 at 9:45am:
Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.



Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?



Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.


Why all greens polices are impotent! Wink



No where was that claimed.


I believe it was ... check the highlighted bit
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Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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