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Reply #90 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:09pm

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The policy only lasted two years because of Labor's inability to defend and sell it's own policies.

A. It wasn't labors policy, it was a greens policy. It was hoisted onto labor in order to win government

B. Looks like the greens did a pretty crap job of selling THEIR policy, no?

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Reply #91 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:18pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

Greens does not understand that irrespective of the Greens polling numbers or vote that they are the biggest loser in any election won by the Liberals.

Having more Greens senators being ignored in parliament makes no difference to green policy or environment issues.

At the moment the Greens seem to have captain stupid in charge who also does not understand this obvious fact.

When push comes to shove, is there really that much difference between the two olds besides a little window dressing.
Look how labor has turned it's back on workers by supporting the China FTA, and labor's support of the TPP.

And when measuring stupidity of leadership ... finally a winner for labor.

Ask yourself who tried to push trough a carbon trading scheme that was blocked by the Liberals and greens and then again who implemented a fixed price on carbon and who dismantled it.

Yes there is a huge difference on green issues between Labor and the Liberals.

As Hissy Pyne once said he has the solution to all green issues - green concrete. Nothing has changed except for green socks on saint Patricks day.

It is an indisputable fact that Labor plus the greens can get action on environmental matters and the Liberal plus the Greens will result in a lot of laughter about the prospect of environmental change.

Rudd/Labor saw a major movement of people demanding action on deadly climate change. Rather than lead this group down a meaningful path, Labor saw it as a danger, especially to it's held coal seats, and so set a path to crash this movement against the rocks.

Labor are now working the similar plan on renewable energy, another threat to their currently held coal seats.

Labor is no friend of sustainable Australia.

As devious as the conservatives are within the liberals, the progressives libs have an opportunity. Sure highly unlikely much will come from this .

Labor had it's chance and failed. Time to watch the signs from the Libs, see if they can prove everyone wrong and actually take climate change seriously.

If Libs fail, then the only solution is the removal of both Labor and Liberal parties.

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #92 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:19pm

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Rudd/Labor saw a major movement of people demanding action on deadly climate change. Rather than lead this group down a meaningful path, Labor saw it as a danger, especially to it's held coal seats, and so set a path to crash this movement against the rocks.

Labor are now working the similar plan on renewable energy, another threat to their currently held coal seats.

Labor is no friend of sustainable Australia.

As devious as the conservatives are within the liberals, the progressives libs have an opportunity. Sure highly unlikely much will come from this .

Labor had it's chance and failed. Time to watch the signs from the Libs, see if they can prove everyone wrong and actually take climate change seriously.

If Libs fail, then the only solution is the removal of both Labor and Liberal parties.

what are you demented? The greens voted AGAINST an ETS.

Don't cry now that because there is no ETS.

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #93 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:20pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:07pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 10:26am:

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____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 10:15am:

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____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:51am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:46am:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:45am:

Labor didn't partake in the last election?

Greens went against their own principles in their over zealous attempt to influence policy. Pathetic greens.

Yet the question was Labor part of the last election?
Their inability to argue their policies empowered Abbott.
Same as Shorten's inability to articulate will empower others.

It's up to the Greens to gain lost Labor vote rather than have it go to the conservatives.

By voting against their principles and giving rise to tony abbott?

Labor waste and impotent polices are not in line with Greens' principles.

Why all greens polices are impotent! Wink

No where was that claimed.

I believe it was ... check the highlighted bit

Prior to that opinion, it wasn't.

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #94 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:23pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The policy only lasted two years because of Labor's inability to defend and sell it's own policies.

A. It wasn't labors policy, it was a greens policy. It was hoisted onto labor in order to win government

B. Looks like the greens did a pretty crap job of selling THEIR policy, no?

Victim Labor.
The poor me syndrome.
Labor so desperate, they would sign up to anything.

If this is the case, labor doesn't deserve government ever again.

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #95 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:25pm

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The policy only lasted two years because of Labor's inability to defend and sell it's own policies.

A. It wasn't labors policy, it was a greens policy. It was hoisted onto labor in order to win government

B. Looks like the greens did a pretty crap job of selling THEIR policy, no?

Victim Labor.
The poor me syndrome.
Labor so desperate, they would sign up to anything.

If this is the case, labor doesn't deserve government ever again.

Don't try to change the topic, why were the greens so crap at selling their policy?

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #96 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:30pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:19pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Rudd/Labor saw a major movement of people demanding action on deadly climate change. Rather than lead this group down a meaningful path, Labor saw it as a danger, especially to it's held coal seats, and so set a path to crash this movement against the rocks.

Labor are now working the similar plan on renewable energy, another threat to their currently held coal seats.

Labor is no friend of sustainable Australia.

As devious as the conservatives are within the liberals, the progressives libs have an opportunity. Sure highly unlikely much will come from this .

Labor had it's chance and failed. Time to watch the signs from the Libs, see if they can prove everyone wrong and actually take climate change seriously.

If Libs fail, then the only solution is the removal of both Labor and Liberal parties.

what are you demented? The greens voted AGAINST an ETS.

Don't cry now that because there is no ETS.

It wasn't an ETS. It was inaction locked in with massive compensation to the big polluters.
Designed by the coal lobby and labor, with the purpose of getting the AGW denialists within the liberals to back it.

The reason labor refused to take the greatest moral issue of our generation to a DD. They thought during the scrutiny of an election, even their stupid rusted on support base may wake up to the con too ... and then dump labor for good.

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #97 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:31pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:25pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:23pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:09pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 10:25am:

The policy only lasted two years because of Labor's inability to defend and sell it's own policies.

A. It wasn't labors policy, it was a greens policy. It was hoisted onto labor in order to win government

B. Looks like the greens did a pretty crap job of selling THEIR policy, no?

Victim Labor.
The poor me syndrome.
Labor so desperate, they would sign up to anything.

If this is the case, labor doesn't deserve government ever again.

Don't try to change the topic, why were the greens so crap at selling their policy?

You implied Greens manipulated labor into their carbon tax.

Have you changed your opinion now?

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #98 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:20pm

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:08am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 9:02am:

____ wrote on Nov 19^th, 2015 at 9:36pm:

The Ipsos poll has given the Coalition a sizable jump in the poll aggregates. Kevin Bonham’s aggregate is now at 53.6% 2PP to the Coalition, a 0.8% gain for the Coalition since last week. The Poll Bludger’s BludgerTrack is at 54.4% 2PP to the Coalition, a 0.9% gain for the Coalition since last week. Primary votes are 46.3% for the Coalition, 30.7% for Labor and 11.2% for the Greens; Labor has lost 1.6% on primary vote since last week, with Others gaining 0.8%.

http://theconversation.com/big-move-to-coalition-in-ipsos-not-replicated-in-othe...

Wonder how Jovial Monk will spin this.

I imagine he was say that the polls are 50:50. That's his usual style. But there is nothing there for the Greens to be pleased about. They are languishing a long way behind and no sign of improving.

Languishing?

Currently ahead of the last federal election results and opportunities arising to play to Greens' strengths.
The big bonus is Richard will be better at vocalise opposition to any and all attacks by liberals in the next budget.

If you are polling 11% then at the election you will get 8%

Get used to inconvenient facts.

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Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll
Reply #99 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 4:23pm

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 2:18pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 1:49pm:

____ wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 20^th, 2015 at 7:37am:

Greens does not understand that irrespective of the Greens polling numbers or vote that they are the biggest loser in any election won by the Liberals.

Having more Greens senators being ignored in parliament makes no difference to green policy or environment issues.

At the moment the Greens seem to have captain stupid in charge who also does not understand this obvious fact.

When push comes to shove, is there really that much difference between the two olds besides a little window dressing.
Look how labor has turned it's back on workers by supporting the China FTA, and labor's support of the TPP.

And when measuring stupidity of leadership ... finally a winner for labor.

Ask yourself who tried to push trough a carbon trading scheme that was blocked by the Liberals and greens and then again who implemented a fixed price on carbon and who dismantled it.

Yes there is a huge difference on green issues between Labor and the Liberals.

As Hissy Pyne once said he has the solution to all green issues - green concrete. Nothing has changed except for green socks on saint Patricks day.

It is an indisputable fact that Labor plus the greens can get action on environmental matters and the Liberal plus the Greens will result in a lot of laughter about the prospect of environmental change.

Rudd/Labor saw a major movement of people demanding action on deadly climate change. Rather than lead this group down a meaningful path, Labor saw it as a danger, especially to it's held coal seats, and so set a path to crash this movement against the rocks.

Labor are now working the similar plan on renewable energy, another threat to their currently held coal seats.

Labor is no friend of sustainable Australia.

As devious as the conservatives are within the liberals, the progressives libs have an opportunity. Sure highly unlikely much will come from this .

Labor had it's chance and failed. Time to watch the signs from the Libs, see if they can prove everyone wrong and actually take climate change seriously.

If Libs fail, then the only solution is the removal of both Labor and Liberal parties.

You should write fiction. You wouldnt need to change a word.

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Reply #100 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:26pm

Honestly polls aren't that useful this far out from an election when especially the Media and Canberra Press Gallery are giving Turnbull a free ride on everything at the moment. It's actually pretty sickening listening to Libs and Media keep spouting this "Sharing economy digital revolution" crap, but then not a single mention or report of the NBN has been brought up. When talking about a IT revolution.. you think the largest IT infrastructure project in the world would be newsworthy, but nope, that would actually show what an ideological luddite Turnbull actually is.

There basically also non-stop shitting on Shorten in the media. The Canberra press Gallery despises Shorten and they don't hide it. The vast majority of editorials on Labor are negative, even though Labor aren't even in Government and Labor policy is superior in essentially every regard to Liberal policy and everyone really knows it.

When we get closer to the election and this bullshit Honeymoon period wears off I think we will get a more accurate look at the picture, I honestly believe Libs/Lab 2PP will be neck and neck at the next election. Surely Abbott and Liberal Party policy cannot be out of the public mind so quickly.

I think Greens will see an increase in vote as well from Labor and Nationals defectors, I suspect Greens primary will be around 14-15%

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Reply #101 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:29pm

Agree with all that except the bit about the Greens.

DiNatale is moving way further right.

In an election about the economy the Greens have nothing to offer, only the major parties do.

Greens on 5% primary vote at the election.

NBN is a sleeper, very little gets reported even on places like ZDNet. However, the penetration of Netflix will cause increasing congestion and the NBN will be a minor irritant Labor can use. The cost of the MTM will be approaching $100bn by then too, assuming it is actually being rolled out.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Online Dogs not cats! Posts: 47094 Gender:	Re: Labor Crashes In Latest Poll Reply #103 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:41pm No, Greens have long been to the right of Labor. They may now be to the right of the Libs! No, Greens support will slump.
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Reply #104 - Nov 20^th, 2015 at 5:53pm

The Electrical Trades Union has snubbed Labor at its National Officers conference this week, asking a federal Greens MP to open the event for the first time.

Greens Treasury spokesman Adam Bandt will be guest speaker on the first day of the ETU's two-day conference in Adelaide, starting on Tuesday. No one from the federal Labor Party has been invited to speak on either day.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1447843004/0

Seems only J.M is confused what is left and what is right ... politically.

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