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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #105 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

stunspore wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:21am:

Be smarter to get businesses doing tax dodges to stop doing that and actually pay tax.

So many dodges altogether: super, CGT, NG, the FBT needs an overhaul. If big corporations don’t pay enough tax, use the payroll tax and hit big corporations. Stuff can be done, Libs don’t have the guts!

Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything.

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Reply #106 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:34pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

stunspore wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:21am:

Be smarter to get businesses doing tax dodges to stop doing that and actually pay tax.

So many dodges altogether: super, CGT, NG, the FBT needs an overhaul. If big corporations don’t pay enough tax, use the payroll tax and hit big corporations. Stuff can be done, Libs don’t have the guts!

Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything.

Maybe. Doubt it.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #107 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:50pm crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm: Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything. rubbish ... there's always a reason ... MORE PROFIT
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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #108 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:10pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:50pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything.

rubbish ... there's always a reason ... MORE PROFIT

What about more available dollars going towards reinvestment in capital stock.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #109 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm We would have to reduce company tax to zero.
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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #110 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:49pm

Vic wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:08pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 4:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 2:56pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 2:46pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:46am:

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:21am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am:

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Thank you for not supporting an increase in the GST. Good on you Premier Andrews. Smiley

Andrews doesnt get a say, dole-bludger.

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If there's a bludger here, it's you ... is there anyone here, anyone at all, who has more posts per day?

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Not living on any welfare at all. Can you two say the same?

just waiting for the pension instead of working so as to support yourself. Cheesy

Ive got a very well paid hubby to do that. Thanks for asking!

ahh, sponging off your husband. I'm not surprised

When they lie in bed facing each other, I wonder if their donks touch?

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #111 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 11:15pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

We would have to reduce company tax to zero.

A tantalising thought but not entirely practical. Corporations have limited liability so there must be at least some penalty for it. Apart from that and the corporate welfare that gets splashed around there really isn't much of a case for corporate tax. Wouldn't you just love all those franking credits to vanish.

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Reply #112 - Nov 24^th, 2015 at 7:40pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

stunspore wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:21am:

Be smarter to get businesses doing tax dodges to stop doing that and actually pay tax.

So many dodges altogether: super, CGT, NG, the FBT needs an overhaul. If big corporations don’t pay enough tax, use the payroll tax and hit big corporations. Stuff can be done, Libs don’t have the guts!

Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything.

Reduce corporate tax concessions and there would be less ability to dodge anything.

A good approach is to do both: pay for corporate tax cuts by axing corporate tax concessions. If done properly, the net effect would be broadly revenue neutral.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #113 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:01am

Bam wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

stunspore wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:21am:

Be smarter to get businesses doing tax dodges to stop doing that and actually pay tax.

So many dodges altogether: super, CGT, NG, the FBT needs an overhaul. If big corporations don’t pay enough tax, use the payroll tax and hit big corporations. Stuff can be done, Libs don’t have the guts!

Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything.

Reduce corporate tax concessions and there would be less ability to dodge anything.

A good approach is to do both: pay for corporate tax cuts by axing corporate tax concessions. If done properly, the net effect would be broadly revenue neutral.

Which concessions did you have in mind ?

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #114 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:07am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

We would have to reduce company tax to zero.

Why? Do YOU get to reduce your tax to zero for investing in a new car to get to work, or researching how to reduce your outlays on electricity, gas, petrol and so forth as well as developing new ways to earn income for your company called Your Family?

Neither do I.....

So why should company taxes go to zero?

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #115 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 6:36am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:07am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

We would have to reduce company tax to zero.

Why? Do YOU get to reduce your tax to zero for investing in a new car to get to work,

Only work related usage is deductable. Trips to work don't count and form part of the private usage component. This is either paid by personal income tax or goes to FBT as a premium rate by the company.

or researching how to reduce your outlays on electricity, gas, petrol and so forth as well as developing new ways to earn income for your company called Your Family?

Because it improves labour productivity. The only consistent method that supports real wages growth. Everybody benefits.

Neither do I.....

So why should company taxes go to zero?

I'm sure he means the company as in retained earnings even if in jest. The shareholders would still be expected to pay tax on their income just like everyone else.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #116 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 6:37am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:07am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

We would have to reduce company tax to zero.

Why? Do YOU get to reduce your tax to zero for investing in a new car to get to work, or researching how to reduce your outlays on electricity, gas, petrol and so forth as well as developing new ways to earn income for your company called Your Family?

Neither do I.....

So why should company taxes go to zero?

My statement was in reply to crocodile’s statement. I don’t think company tax should go to zero!

We need to clean up all the tax dodges that have accumulated, then we can tinker with tax rates etc to boost business activity etc. I consider NewStart and Pensions as negative taxes—Newstart in particular needs to be increased.

Increased dole payments in times of low economic activity is one of the automatic stabilisers of the Budget but with the dole so low this stabiliser doesn’t work.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #117 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:21am

crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 11:15pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

We would have to reduce company tax to zero.

A tantalising thought but not entirely practical. Corporations have limited liability so there must be at least some penalty for it. Apart from that and the corporate welfare that gets splashed around there really isn't much of a case for corporate tax. Wouldn't you just love all those franking credits to vanish.

Given that the dividend would increase by the same amount and we would ten pay tax on it, the effect on the bottom line for most people would be nil.

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Reply #118 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:22am

Bam wrote on Nov 24^th, 2015 at 7:40pm:

crocodile wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:18pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:19pm:

stunspore wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:21am:

Be smarter to get businesses doing tax dodges to stop doing that and actually pay tax.

So many dodges altogether: super, CGT, NG, the FBT needs an overhaul. If big corporations don’t pay enough tax, use the payroll tax and hit big corporations. Stuff can be done, Libs don’t have the guts!

Reduce the corporate tax rate and there will be less incentive to dodge anything.

Reduce corporate tax concessions and there would be less ability to dodge anything.

A good approach is to do both: pay for corporate tax cuts by axing corporate tax concessions. If done properly, the net effect would be broadly revenue neutral.

But any tax concessions or subsidies do not apply evenly across the board, while company tax does. And if it is revenue neutral, how does that help anyone at all?

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #119 - Nov 25^th, 2015 at 7:24am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 6:37am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 12:07am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:36pm:

We would have to reduce company tax to zero.

Why? Do YOU get to reduce your tax to zero for investing in a new car to get to work, or researching how to reduce your outlays on electricity, gas, petrol and so forth as well as developing new ways to earn income for your company called Your Family?

Neither do I.....

So why should company taxes go to zero?

My statement was in reply to crocodile’s statement. I don’t think company tax should go to zero!

We need to clean up all the tax dodges that have accumulated, then we can tinker with tax rates etc to boost business activity etc. I consider NewStart and Pensions as negative taxes—Newstart in particular needs to be increased.

Increased dole payments in times of low economic activity is one of the automatic stabilisers of the Budget but with the dole so low this stabiliser doesn’t work.

Stabiliser??? You need to think that through again since it is completely wrong.

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