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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #15 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:26am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

Monk is correct. The Premiers have no legal say. It is up to federal parliament only.

your wrong.

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Treasurer Scott Morrison said any change to the GST would[highlight] only be considered if put forward by the states and territories.

the feds make the changes[of course]... but the States make the decisions and they get the GST...

monk makes it sound like the FEDS SPEND THE MONEY...

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #16 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:29am

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

It is true, cods, because A NEW TAX SYSTEM (GOODS AND SERVICES TAX) ACT 1999 is a Federal law, not a State law. The part of the Act that specifies agreement with the states to raise the rate can be repealed from this Act at any time without affecting the rest of it.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #17 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:28am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

A bit rich of you to be complaining about trivialities when the Federal Liberals have blocked a BUDGET.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #18 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:46am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

in one survey 51% of Australians said that they'd accept a 15% gst as long as they were properly compensated. ..

So...you just need to be a good salesman against Bull Shittens negativity. .

Australians are willing to pay back Labor’s debt.. no doubt about it. . They just don't want to be ripped off. .

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #19 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:54am

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:26am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

Monk is correct. The Premiers have no legal say. It is up to federal parliament only.

your wrong.

Quote:

Treasurer Scott Morrison said any change to the GST would[highlight] only be considered if put forward by the states and territories.

the feds make the changes[of course]... but the States make the decisions and they get the GST...

monk makes it sound like the FEDS SPEND THE MONEY...

They do. It is spent on grants to the states. It need not be though. All taxes go to consolidated revenue. There are no specific cause taxes that must be spent where they're raised. The feds can do what they want with it.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #20 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 10:16am

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:26am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

Monk is correct. The Premiers have no legal say. It is up to federal parliament only.

your wrong.

Quote:

Treasurer Scott Morrison said any change to the GST would[highlight] only be considered if put forward by the states and territories.

the feds make the changes[of course]... but the States make the decisions and they get the GST...

monk makes it sound like the FEDS SPEND THE MONEY...

If they don't change the rules so that the feds get to spend the money then they can not use the money to provide compensation or to reduce taxes which they are saying they will do.

At this point they are all having a few bob each way.

Legally the federal government can change it if they like but they have an arrangement saying that they have to have state approval. The minister is saying at this time that he won't break that guideline.

The federal government have been removing health care funding in order to put the states in the position of having no other choice than to ask to get money some way and have been told by the federal government that they need to ask for a GST increase if they want to be able to fund medical services in the future.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #21 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:00am

Bam wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:29am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

It is true, cods, because A NEW TAX SYSTEM (GOODS AND SERVICES TAX) ACT 1999 is a Federal law, not a State law. The part of the Act that specifies agreement with the states to raise the rate can be repealed from this Act at any time without affecting the rest of it.

I'm not sure that part even needs to be repealed as it may be unconstitutional. Either way, it is a big nothing.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #22 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:02am

Bam wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:28am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

A bit rich of you to be complaining about trivialities when the Federal Liberals have blocked a BUDGET.

You sound like a muslim going to war over the murder of someone 700 years ago. Time to join the current century.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #23 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #24 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:10pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

Yes that worked out well , saved 15bucks a year on power and doubled the budget deficit while the multinationals continue to ship 80% of their profits offshore , Bravo Libs Bravo

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #25 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #26 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:16pm

Its time wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:10pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

Yes that worked out well , saved 15bucks a year on power and doubled the budget deficit while the multinationals continue to ship 80% of their profits offshore , Bravo Libs Bravo

Nobody believes your silly $15 savings claim, suppository. You need to get a new theme song. This time perhaps try for truth.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #27 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:24pm

No such thing as a mandate to do whatever those in power want - that road leads directly to Fascism.....

There is, rather a contract signed and sealed, between people and government in a democracy... and those who breach it should be punished with more than a golden parachute retirement.

White collar crime at its best.. and worst.....

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #28 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:29pm

crocodile wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:54am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:26am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

Monk is correct. The Premiers have no legal say. It is up to federal parliament only.

your wrong.

Quote:

Treasurer Scott Morrison said any change to the GST would[highlight] only be considered if put forward by the states and territories.

the feds make the changes[of course]... but the States make the decisions and they get the GST...

monk makes it sound like the FEDS SPEND THE MONEY...

They do. It is spent on grants to the states. It need not be though. All taxes go to consolidated revenue. There are no specific cause taxes that must be spent where they're raised. The feds can do what they want with it.

Correct.

For the same reason, it's nonsense to assert that particular spending must be linked to particular cuts elsewhere. The linking argument is simply a political tool to keep the budget balanced.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #29 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:35pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:24pm:

No such thing as a mandate to do whatever those in power want - that road leads directly to Fascism.....

There is, rather a contract signed and sealed, between people and government in a democracy... and those who breach it should be punished with more than a golden parachute retirement.

White collar crime at its best.. and worst.....

You do know that we are talking about governments adhering to a mandate delivered by voters at a full election, right?

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