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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #30 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 1:02pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

What I am saying is neither side respects mandates....You are the one saying mandates are only acceptable when they suit you....In the end it is the Senate that decides what becomes policy and what is rejected???

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #31 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #32 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:16pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:10pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

Yes that worked out well , saved 15bucks a year on power and doubled the budget deficit while the multinationals continue to ship 80% of their profits offshore , Bravo Libs Bravo

Nobody believes your silly $15 savings claim, suppository. You need to get a new theme song. This time perhaps try for truth.

You could try the same thing yourself.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #33 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:26pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

The Gillard Government had to do a deal with senator Steve Fielding to pass the bill....The Coalition tried to maintain several aspects of work choices but was out manoeuvred by the Gillard Government....The Coalition almost scuttled the entire bill whilst trying to maintain they supported removing work choices!!!

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #34 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:04pm

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:26am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:02am:

cods wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:09am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 6:54am:

It is a federal law, nothing to do with the Premiers in fact.

MONK do you seriously believe that???>...

tell me you are joking.

Monk is correct. The Premiers have no legal say. It is up to federal parliament only.

your wrong.

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Treasurer Scott Morrison said any change to the GST would[highlight] only be considered if put forward by the states and territories.

the feds make the changes[of course]... but the States make the decisions and they get the GST...

monk makes it sound like the FEDS SPEND THE MONEY...

If the senate work the way it was set up, all the senators from the states that oppose any changes to the GST would vote against those changes, and all senators from the states that want changes would vote for those changes. not vote along party lines.

That is one reason that senators should be independent and not belong to any political party or vote as their state government tells them to vote. The senate was set up to look after the states right that is why there are 12 senators from each state, no state has more say then another state in the senate

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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

It doesn't mean that your opinion or my opinion is right

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #35 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 3:08pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

Where is the mandate for Howard to bring in workchoices? Did he have one I don't remember it in any election promise in 2004

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Opinions are like arseholes everyone got one.

It doesn't mean that your opinion or my opinion is right

See my post in the welcome thread reply #575 and you will know what I am like

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #36 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:24pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

They voted with the labor senators to vote it down.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #37 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:25pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:16pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:16pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:10pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

Yes that worked out well , saved 15bucks a year on power and doubled the budget deficit while the multinationals continue to ship 80% of their profits offshore , Bravo Libs Bravo

Nobody believes your silly $15 savings claim, suppository. You need to get a new theme song. This time perhaps try for truth.

You could try the same thing yourself.

We've had this debate before and you have grudgingly, belately accepted that the CT added ~10% to the price of power and its removal reduced prices by ~10%

Do we need to do this all over again?

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #38 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:56pm I never said the Feds spend the money, Cods. But they could, Senate willing, change the GST Act further and keep some of the GST revenue for themselves. It IS a federal law after all.
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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #39 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:14pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

They voted with the labor senators to vote it down.

Bullshit!!!

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Independent senator Nick Xenophon and the Opposition lost a vote to keep the definition at less than 20 employees.

Senator Xenophon voted with the Opposition after Senator Fielding undercut his original deal with the Government.

Senator Xenophon had been pushing for the transition to the 15-worker head count to take three years, but Senator Fielding intervened and struck a deal to make it 18 months.

Because of the way the Government worded the motion in the Senate yesterday, it only needed one of the two senators to get its Fair Work Bill passed, and relied on Senator Fielding.

It also meant the Coalition did not have to vote on the full bill because the Senate was only required to vote on whether or not it would insist on its amendments.

The full bill passed the Senate early yesterday morning but the Government would not accept a Coalition supported amendment to raise an unfair dismissal threshold for small business from fewer than 15 employees to 20.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #40 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:24pm

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:56pm:

I never said the Feds spend the money, Cods.

But they could, Senate willing, change the GST Act further and keep some of the GST revenue for themselves.

It IS a federal law after all.

The Feds can keep the lot if they wish. Doesn't even require legislation.
Changing the rate would require the assent of parliament though.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #41 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:31pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

They voted with the labor senators to vote it down.

Bullshit!!!

Quote:

Independent senator Nick Xenophon and the Opposition lost a vote to keep the definition at less than 20 employees.

Senator Xenophon voted with the Opposition after Senator Fielding undercut his original deal with the Government.

Senator Xenophon had been pushing for the transition to the 15-worker head count to take three years, but Senator Fielding intervened and struck a deal to make it 18 months.

Because of the way the Government worded the motion in the Senate yesterday, it only needed one of the two senators to get its Fair Work Bill passed, and relied on Senator Fielding.

It also meant the Coalition did not have to vote on the full bill because the Senate was only required to vote on whether or not it would insist on its amendments.

The full bill passed the Senate early yesterday morning but the Government would not accept a Coalition supported amendment to raise an unfair dismissal threshold for small business from fewer than 15 employees to 20.

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Get over yourself, Phil. You cannot get over the fact that the Libs supported the mandate the voters had given while Labor routinely rejects them.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #42 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:37pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:31pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

They voted with the labor senators to vote it down.

Bullshit!!!

Quote:

Independent senator Nick Xenophon and the Opposition lost a vote to keep the definition at less than 20 employees.

Senator Xenophon voted with the Opposition after Senator Fielding undercut his original deal with the Government.

Senator Xenophon had been pushing for the transition to the 15-worker head count to take three years, but Senator Fielding intervened and struck a deal to make it 18 months.

Because of the way the Government worded the motion in the Senate yesterday, it only needed one of the two senators to get its Fair Work Bill passed, and relied on Senator Fielding.

It also meant the Coalition did not have to vote on the full bill because the Senate was only required to vote on whether or not it would insist on its amendments.

The full bill passed the Senate early yesterday morning but the Government would not accept a Coalition supported amendment to raise an unfair dismissal threshold for small business from fewer than 15 employees to 20.

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Get over yourself, Phil. You cannot get over the fact that the Libs supported the mandate the voters had given while Labor routinely rejects them.

Both parties reject mandates as I have stated...You are the one claiming only Labor rejects a mandate which is bullshit...Get over yourself Maria....You are wrong!!!

Smiley

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #43 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:39pm

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:37pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:31pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:14pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

They voted with the labor senators to vote it down.

Bullshit!!!

Quote:

Independent senator Nick Xenophon and the Opposition lost a vote to keep the definition at less than 20 employees.

Senator Xenophon voted with the Opposition after Senator Fielding undercut his original deal with the Government.

Senator Xenophon had been pushing for the transition to the 15-worker head count to take three years, but Senator Fielding intervened and struck a deal to make it 18 months.

Because of the way the Government worded the motion in the Senate yesterday, it only needed one of the two senators to get its Fair Work Bill passed, and relied on Senator Fielding.

It also meant the Coalition did not have to vote on the full bill because the Senate was only required to vote on whether or not it would insist on its amendments.

The full bill passed the Senate early yesterday morning but the Government would not accept a Coalition supported amendment to raise an unfair dismissal threshold for small business from fewer than 15 employees to 20.

http://advertisers.careerone.com.au/hr/hr-best-practices/recruiting-hiring-advic...

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Get over yourself, Phil. You cannot get over the fact that the Libs supported the mandate the voters had given while Labor routinely rejects them.

Both parties reject mandates as I have stated...You are the one claiming only Labor rejects a mandate which is bullshit...Get over yourself Maria....You are wrong!!!

Smiley

Libs supported the anti-workchoices mandate. FACT. Labor rejected the NO CARBON TAX mandate. FACT. Labor rejected the CT and mining tax repeal mandate. FACT

These are no debatable.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #44 - Nov 21^st, 2015 at 5:55pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 4:24pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 2:15pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 12:15pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 11:42am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:03am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:55am:

Andrews has already said that if the federal government takes a GST to an election and wins.. he wont oppose it

That is interesting... A labor person willing to accept a electoral mandate... Pity Federal labor didnt do that with the Carbon Tax repeal or Mining Tax repeal.

I suppose it was in part because the Federal Coalition under Tony Abbott refused to accept Kevin Rudd's mandate to introduce an ETS....Something the Coalition themselves took to the 2007 election....We should have an ETS if mandates where respected by either party???

Huh

So what are you saying? Mandates are real or only when they suit you? There was a very very clear mandate to remove Workchoices - and the libs voted it down. There was a very very clear mandate to remove the Carbon Tax and Labor voted to keep it.

The differences are clear.

The Liberals never voted the workchoices legislation down that is a popular fable.

They voted with the labor senators to vote it down.

Maybe you should check that out again - they actually abstained from voting on the primary bill.

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