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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #60 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:56am

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:52pm:

the people that voted for the democrats voted for them because the democrats said THEY WERE OPPOSED to the GST. The democrats betrayed them so the people refused to believe their lies again. The only mandate the democrats had was to THEIR voters.

The GST should never have been introduced, well over 50% of the population voted against it. It's a disgrace and a stain on democracy that it was ever allowed to proceed.

As to WorkChoices—never mentioned in the campaign. The concept of a mandate died then.

The exact opposite is true. Because there was no mandate, the Libs were thrown out of office.

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Reply #61 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:06am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:56am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:52pm:

the people that voted for the democrats voted for them because the democrats said THEY WERE OPPOSED to the GST. The democrats betrayed them so the people refused to believe their lies again. The only mandate the democrats had was to THEIR voters.

The GST should never have been introduced, well over 50% of the population voted against it. It's a disgrace and a stain on democracy that it was ever allowed to proceed.

As to WorkChoices—never mentioned in the campaign. The concept of a mandate died then.

The exact opposite is true. Because there was no mandate, the Libs were thrown out of office.

The Libs were thrown out of office because the lying rodent refused to hand over power.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #62 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:38am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:56am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 9:05pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 8:52pm:

the people that voted for the democrats voted for them because the democrats said THEY WERE OPPOSED to the GST. The democrats betrayed them so the people refused to believe their lies again. The only mandate the democrats had was to THEIR voters.

The GST should never have been introduced, well over 50% of the population voted against it. It's a disgrace and a stain on democracy that it was ever allowed to proceed.

As to WorkChoices—never mentioned in the campaign. The concept of a mandate died then.

The exact opposite is true. Because there was no mandate, the Libs were thrown out of office.

It was unheralded, unfair, harsh and totally unworkable—a typical Lib product in fact. THAT is why Howard got the Double Order of the Boot with bar.

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Reply #64 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:05am

miketrees wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:43am:

WA will never agree to an increase while the Feds are shafting them in the present system.

Actually with the mining boom over WA are very likely to go back to being the biggest beneficiaries of tax collected in other states as was the case for over 95% the prior century in the various forms.

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Reply #66 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:23am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices.

Both Howard and Rudd went to the election with ETS policies, the one which was ultimately negotiated and then blocked was closer to the Howard government election promise than to Labors.

The ETS policy that Abbott blocked was virtually the same policy he had argued to support and was the Liberal party policy taken to the 2007 election by the Howard government.

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Reply #67 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:24am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:55am:

Mandates for many people are a huge problem and the reason is simple: it is a principle, not a vote. Mandates are understood and respected by men and women of principle while lesser people will never see them. They are the honest and decent acts taken by MPs of character when nothing compells them other than their conscience and morality. For some, they understand it perfectly, while other have not a clue.

I just love when a lib lectures others on principles, a concept that would normally never enter their feeble minds.....

Mp's are voted in to do what the people that voted for THEM want them to do, not to do what the winning party wants them to do. If I vote for someone because he is pro carbon tax, it is unprincipled of him to change his tune AFTER the election. The democrats tried that and look where it left them.

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Reply #68 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:24am

John Smith wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:17am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices.

And Abbotts main policy was 'STOP THE BOATS' Cheesy

And "Ditch the witch"

I thought it lucky that he had no policies about ducks or trucks. It may have been unfortunate.

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Reply #69 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:27am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices. Mandates do not and can not apply to each and every policy no matter how small or else you reduce the purpose of parliament to a rubber stamp. Mandates apply to the one or two BIG policy matters that dominate elections. The ETS was scarcely discussed.

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Reply #70 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:23am

Labor voter wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:53pm:

The Abbott government did not get a mandate so stop saying they did .

Actually the Abbott government, the majority of Australians didn’t vote for the L/NP, here is a simple explanation.

How a Mandate works. Elections with a large margin of victory, are often said to give the newly elected Government or elected official an implicit mandate to put into effect certain policies.

2013 Coalition Election Results: First Preference by Party:

Liberal – 32.02 %

Liberal National Party- 8.92 %

The Nationals- 4.29%

Country Liberal (NT)- 0.32 %

TOTAL: 45.55 %

45.55% of the Vote is NOT a Majority

45.55% of the Vote is NOT a Mandate.

54.45% of the Votes were for NOT the Coalition so the Abbott government has NO Mandate for their Arse-Backwards Policies.

It is more accurate to state that every elected parliamentarian has the right to assert their own policy agenda. With so many different views represented in the Parliament, compromise is often necessary. That is a good thing, and is a sign of a healthy democracy.

As long as a party sticks to its policy platform in Parliament, they won't harm their chances at the next election.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #71 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices.

Both Howard and Rudd went to the election with ETS policies, the one which was ultimately negotiated and then blocked was closer to the Howard government election promise than to Labors.

The ETS policy that Abbott blocked was virtually the same policy he had argued to support and was the Liberal party policy taken to the 2007 election by the Howard government.

Come back to me when you are ready to criticise Gillard from bringing in a CT she promised not to an for labor refusing to repeal the CT after and election thumping on the issue.

Until then, you are just playing with hypocrisy.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #72 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:23pm

Bam wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 10:23am:

Labor voter wrote on Nov 21^st, 2015 at 7:53pm:

The Abbott government did not get a mandate so stop saying they did .

Actually the Abbott government, the majority of Australians didn’t vote for the L/NP, here is a simple explanation.

How a Mandate works. Elections with a large margin of victory, are often said to give the newly elected Government or elected official an implicit mandate to put into effect certain policies.

2013 Coalition Election Results: First Preference by Party:

Liberal – 32.02 %

Liberal National Party- 8.92 %

The Nationals- 4.29%

Country Liberal (NT)- 0.32 %

TOTAL: 45.55 %

45.55% of the Vote is NOT a Majority

45.55% of the Vote is NOT a Mandate.

54.45% of the Votes were for NOT the Coalition so the Abbott government has NO Mandate for their Arse-Backwards Policies.

It is more accurate to state that every elected parliamentarian has the right to assert their own policy agenda. With so many different views represented in the Parliament, compromise is often necessary. That is a good thing, and is a sign of a healthy democracy.

As long as a party sticks to its policy platform in Parliament, they won't harm their chances at the next election.

Really? Don't you meant their ADVERTISED policy agenda? MPs and parties do not have the right to simply say one thing at an election and then afterwards do absolutely anything they want. That was Howards mistake in 2004 and Gillard's in 2010. We can forgive variations on a them, but we dont forgive an entire new song.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #73 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:25pm

Really? Don't you meant their ADVERTISED policy agenda? MPs and parties do not have the right to simply say one thing at an election and then afterwards do absolutely anything they want. That was Howards mistake in 2004 and Gillard's in 2010. We can forgive variations on a them, but we dont forgive an entire new song.

This is the only reason we need an elected head of state,, to call another election when parties deviate from their promises.

Perhaps then they may have to be honest with the electors,,, that has its problems because most of you are too stupid to understand what is required.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #74 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:29pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices. Mandates do not and can not apply to each and every policy no matter how small or else you reduce the purpose of parliament to a rubber stamp. Mandates apply to the one or two BIG policy matters that dominate elections. The ETS was scarcely discussed.

So did the Abbott government have a mandate to stop the boats , remove the fixed carbon price or to remove the super profits tax ?

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