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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #75 - Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:32pm

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices.

Both Howard and Rudd went to the election with ETS policies, the one which was ultimately negotiated and then blocked was closer to the Howard government election promise than to Labors.

The ETS policy that Abbott blocked was virtually the same policy he had argued to support and was the Liberal party policy taken to the 2007 election by the Howard government.

Come back to me when you are ready to criticise Gillard from bringing in a CT she promised not to an for labor refusing to repeal the CT after and election thumping on the issue.

Until then, you are just playing with hypocrisy.

I said virtually on day 1 that Gillard had broken her election promise. You are the one who seems to invest heavily in hypocrisy.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #77 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:26am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:29pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices. Mandates do not and can not apply to each and every policy no matter how small or else you reduce the purpose of parliament to a rubber stamp. Mandates apply to the one or two BIG policy matters that dominate elections. The ETS was scarcely discussed.

So did the Abbott government have a mandate to stop the boats , remove the fixed carbon price or to remove the super profits tax ?

Absolutely. They were the three big topics of the election although 'stop the boats' didnt need a mandate since both parties (belatedly) agreed on that so we are back to just two.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #78 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices.

Both Howard and Rudd went to the election with ETS policies, the one which was ultimately negotiated and then blocked was closer to the Howard government election promise than to Labors.

The ETS policy that Abbott blocked was virtually the same policy he had argued to support and was the Liberal party policy taken to the 2007 election by the Howard government.

Come back to me when you are ready to criticise Gillard from bringing in a CT she promised not to an for labor refusing to repeal the CT after and election thumping on the issue.

Until then, you are just playing with hypocrisy.

I said virtually on day 1 that Gillard had broken her election promise. You are the one who seems to invest heavily in hypocrisy.

Now all you have to do is criticise Labor for voting AGAINST the CT repeal.

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #79 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:47am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:38am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:32pm:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:15pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 9:23am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:51am:

Was there a mandate for an ETS? the major election policy was workhoices.

Both Howard and Rudd went to the election with ETS policies, the one which was ultimately negotiated and then blocked was closer to the Howard government election promise than to Labors.

The ETS policy that Abbott blocked was virtually the same policy he had argued to support and was the Liberal party policy taken to the 2007 election by the Howard government.

Come back to me when you are ready to criticise Gillard from bringing in a CT she promised not to an for labor refusing to repeal the CT after and election thumping on the issue.

Until then, you are just playing with hypocrisy.

I said virtually on day 1 that Gillard had broken her election promise. You are the one who seems to invest heavily in hypocrisy.

Now all you have to do is criticise Labor for voting AGAINST the CT repeal.

Why?

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #80 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55am

I had the misfortune to see premier Andrews on the television.

How underwhelming.

If he wants more money for the health system, the first thing he should do is fund a chromosome analysis for himself .
What is it with the heads on these labor leaders.

they are a who's who of ugly

beattie
gillard
rudd
shorten (the premature baby)
now this andrews fellow.

meanwhile observe the chisselled features of

Abbott
Turnbull and the NSW premier
Corey bernardi could easily star in magic mike.

Are the lefty politicians over compensating for a lifetime of being treated as beta males due to their dysmorphic features ?

someone should investigate

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #81 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:59am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55am:

I had the misfortune to see premier Andrews on the television.

How underwhelming.

If he wants more money for the health system, the first thing he should do is fund a chromosome analysis for himself .
What is it with the heads on these labor leaders.

they are a who's who of ugly

beattie
gillard
rudd
shorten (the premature baby)
now this andrews fellow.

meanwhile observe the chisselled features of

Abbott
Turnbull and the NSW premier
Corey bernardi could easily star in magic mike.

Are the lefty politicians over compensating for a lifetime of being treated as beta males due to their dysmorphic features ?

someone should investigate

Glad you finally came out Aqua

. May your life now be ever more enjoyable.

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Sir Crook Ex Member	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #82 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:02am Thank you for not supporting an increase in the GST. Good on you Premier Andrews.
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mariacostel Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 7344 Sydney Gender:	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #83 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am Quote: Thank you for not supporting an increase in the GST. Good on you Premier Andrews. Andrews doesnt get a say, dole-bludger.
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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #84 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:21am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55am:

I had the misfortune to see premier Andrews on the television.

How underwhelming.

If he wants more money for the health system, the first thing he should do is fund a chromosome analysis for himself .
What is it with the heads on these labor leaders.

they are a who's who of ugly

beattie
gillard
rudd
shorten (the premature baby)
now this andrews fellow.

meanwhile observe the chisselled features of

Abbott
Turnbull and the NSW premier
Corey bernardi could easily star in magic mike.

Are the lefty politicians over compensating for a lifetime of being treated as beta males due to their dysmorphic features ?

someone should investigate

Glad you finally came out Aqua

. May your life now be ever more enjoyable.

Image is important.
i think corey has excellent leadership criteria.
olympic rower, a man of conviction, would galvanise the female vote.
its a sign of how far to the left the liberal party have gone that a guy with such hard core liberal values is seen as a pariah

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sir prince duke alevine Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 23619 Gender:	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #85 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:39am mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am: Quote: Thank you for not supporting an increase in the GST. Good on you Premier Andrews. Andrews doesnt get a say, dole-bludger. ? Tony always said the states decided. Was he lying?
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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #86 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:39am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:21am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:59am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:55am:

I had the misfortune to see premier Andrews on the television.

How underwhelming.

If he wants more money for the health system, the first thing he should do is fund a chromosome analysis for himself .
What is it with the heads on these labor leaders.

they are a who's who of ugly

beattie
gillard
rudd
shorten (the premature baby)
now this andrews fellow.

meanwhile observe the chisselled features of

Abbott
Turnbull and the NSW premier
Corey bernardi could easily star in magic mike.

Are the lefty politicians over compensating for a lifetime of being treated as beta males due to their dysmorphic features ?

someone should investigate

Glad you finally came out Aqua

. May your life now be ever more enjoyable.

Image is important.
i think corey has excellent leadership criteria.
olympic rower, a man of conviction, would galvanise the female vote.
its a sign of how far to the left the liberal party have gone that a guy with such hard core liberal values is seen as a pariah

Liberal as long as you follow every word of the church, you mean?

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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #87 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:53am

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am:

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Thank you for not supporting an increase in the GST. Good on you Premier Andrews. Smiley

Andrews doesnt get a say, dole-bludger.

? Tony always said the states decided. Was he lying?

He was wrong. Simple are that.

However there is a difference between "technically" and "practically". Practically the states decide, technically the federal government does.

The federal government could just over-rule the states, but I don't think it's likely, at least under Turnbull. He won't waste the political capital on it. Better to get people on his side and put pressure on the states that way.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase Reply #88 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:06am Looks like Scoot is gay and racist. Not really surprising.
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Re: Premier Andrews Opposes Any GST Increase
Reply #89 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:15am

Kytro wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:53am:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:39am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:20am:

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Thank you for not supporting an increase in the GST. Good on you Premier Andrews. Smiley

Andrews doesnt get a say, dole-bludger.

? Tony always said the states decided. Was he lying?

He was wrong. Simple are that.

However there is a difference between "technically" and "practically". Practically the states decide, technically the federal government does.

The federal government could just over-rule the states, but I don't think it's likely, at least under Turnbull. He won't waste the political capital on it. Better to get people on his side and put pressure on the states that way.

For it to have much chance, the Feds will need most of the states on-side. The feds dont need their agreement, but they do need their support.

Why is this so hard for some to grasp?

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