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Re: The Shorten narrative...
Reply #60 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:16am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Shorten has already released more policy than any LOTO bar Hewson. All the RWNJs have to do is read it.

Meantime Turnbull’s narrative is {waffle} {spin} {gaffe} {spin} {waffle}

hes busy.. fighting the terrorists..

Ahahahahaha Waffles with assault rifle running in the desert bwahahaha

Nah, he is waffling, spinning and gaffing. All at sea, no idea what to do about the economy.

whats wrong with the economy NOW?..

Well, one factoid: the deficit has blown out by $5Bn, there is no time Morriscum can say that the Budget will be in surplus. The Libs are protecting tax dodgers so the Budget will sink further and further into deficit.

Incorrect , not 5 billion , 50 billion . Sloppy DOUBLED the budget deficit , in 6 months , after promising a surplus in first year , F for fail libs , F for fail Roll Eyes

Show me where/when he said that...

Here ya go AP....No need to thank me!!!

Quote:

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey's claim that the Coalition would be on track to deliver a budget surplus in the first year of taking office.

Earlier, Mr Abbott stopped short of guaranteeing a surplus in the Coalition’s first year, instead arguing the budget position would be ‘‘better’’ than under Labor.

A 50-page booklet launched by Mr Abbott at a campaign rally on Sunday commits the Coalition to ‘‘get the budget back under control’’ and ‘‘live within our means’’, but does not spell out a timeframe.

Mr Hockey told the National Press Club last year: ‘‘Based on the numbers presented last Tuesday night we will achieve a surplus in our first year in office and we will achieve a surplus for every year of our first term.’’

On Monday, Mr Hockey said he had not retreated from the pledge.

‘‘Our commitment is emphatic,’’ Mr Hockey told ABC Radio’s AM program.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-about-face-on-surp...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-23/jericho-inequality-will-cast-a-shadow-over...

Swan did the same thing, endlessly promising surpluses and instead dleivering the biggest deficits in history.

Incorrect, the Libs have delivered the biggest deficit in history because of a confidence killing austerity budget and putting all of their eggs in the dead mining industry basket. Massive

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for Failure.

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Re: The Shorten narrative...
Reply #61 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41am

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:34am:

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:32pm:

It's humiliating for them to admit the Libs have no idea how to manage an economy when there isn't a mining/housing boom and there isn't anymore assets or gold left to sell.

so you think shortarse would have done better even without the mining boom...

4.5billion worth of renewable energy jobs approved and ready to go, you bet ya arse he would've done better

where will shortarse get all the money from do you think?????......the likes of Gina and clive.. might be gone or at the very least on the way down by the time he takes over....

wont he buy back all those assets that got sold..??

with what?.

I dont have a problem with the economy.. unlike yourself.. retail is on the UP

usually happens at xmas

.. Qantas is making MONEY...

Is that because Libs are in you think?

I dont see anyone doing it tough...housing market hasnt crashed as much as you wish it would

going to be a doozy when it does

...Interest rates are steady

Interest rates are lower than under Labor, the sign of an economy on its knees

...

left whingeing seems to be the growth industry.

Just enjoy reminding you what a C R A P job the incompetents are doing Cheesy

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Re: The Shorten narrative...
Reply #62 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41am

Its time wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:41am:

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:34am:

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:32pm:

It's humiliating for them to admit the Libs have no idea how to manage an economy when there isn't a mining/housing boom and there isn't anymore assets or gold left to sell.

so you think shortarse would have done better even without the mining boom...

4.5billion worth of renewable energy projects approved and ready to go, you bet ya arse he would've done better

where will shortarse get all the money from do you think?????......the likes of Gina and clive.. might be gone or at the very least on the way down by the time he takes over....

wont he buy back all those assets that got sold..??

with what?.

I dont have a problem with the economy.. unlike yourself.. retail is on the UP

usually happens at xmas

.. Qantas is making MONEY...

Is that because Libs are in you think?

I dont see anyone doing it tough...housing market hasnt crashed as much as you wish it would

going to be a doozy when it does

...Interest rates are steady

Interest rates are lower than under Labor, the sign of an economy on its knees

...

left whingeing seems to be the growth industry.

Just enjoy reminding you what a C R A P job the incompetents are doing Cheesy

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Re: The Shorten narrative...
Reply #63 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49am

SUP YOU MISSED THE

WHERE WILL HE GET THE CASH FROM??...

we know yer luv im...and can see no wrong in him.. but he wont have construction companies to blackmail into handing over zillions...

its a bit unbecoming even for someone of his ilk...

so where is all the money coming from... and how on earth renewable will save this country or pay THAT MASSIVE DEBT I dont understand??..

can we sell renewable instead of iron ore??

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Re: The Shorten narrative...
Reply #64 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:09am

Its time wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Shorten has already released more policy than any LOTO bar Hewson. All the RWNJs have to do is read it.

Meantime Turnbull’s narrative is {waffle} {spin} {gaffe} {spin} {waffle}

hes busy.. fighting the terrorists..

Ahahahahaha Waffles with assault rifle running in the desert bwahahaha

Nah, he is waffling, spinning and gaffing. All at sea, no idea what to do about the economy.

whats wrong with the economy NOW?..

Well, one factoid: the deficit has blown out by $5Bn, there is no time Morriscum can say that the Budget will be in surplus. The Libs are protecting tax dodgers so the Budget will sink further and further into deficit.

Incorrect , not 5 billion , 50 billion . Sloppy DOUBLED the budget deficit , in 6 months , after promising a surplus in first year , F for fail libs , F for fail Roll Eyes

Show me where/when he said that...

Here ya go AP....No need to thank me!!!

Quote:

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey's claim that the Coalition would be on track to deliver a budget surplus in the first year of taking office.

Earlier, Mr Abbott stopped short of guaranteeing a surplus in the Coalition’s first year, instead arguing the budget position would be ‘‘better’’ than under Labor.

A 50-page booklet launched by Mr Abbott at a campaign rally on Sunday commits the Coalition to ‘‘get the budget back under control’’ and ‘‘live within our means’’, but does not spell out a timeframe.

Mr Hockey told the National Press Club last year: ‘‘Based on the numbers presented last Tuesday night we will achieve a surplus in our first year in office and we will achieve a surplus for every year of our first term.’’

On Monday, Mr Hockey said he had not retreated from the pledge.

‘‘Our commitment is emphatic,’’ Mr Hockey told ABC Radio’s AM program.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-about-face-on-surp...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-23/jericho-inequality-will-cast-a-shadow-over...

Swan did the same thing, endlessly promising surpluses and instead dleivering the biggest deficits in history.

Incorrect, the Libs have delivered the biggest deficit in history because of a confidence killing austerity budget and putting all of their eggs in the dead mining industry basket. Massive

F

for Failure.

Incorrect again. 2010 and 2011 both had LARGER deficits.

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Re: The Shorten narrative...
Reply #65 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:11am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:09am:

Its time wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Shorten has already released more policy than any LOTO bar Hewson. All the RWNJs have to do is read it.

Meantime Turnbull’s narrative is {waffle} {spin} {gaffe} {spin} {waffle}

hes busy.. fighting the terrorists..

Ahahahahaha Waffles with assault rifle running in the desert bwahahaha

Nah, he is waffling, spinning and gaffing. All at sea, no idea what to do about the economy.

whats wrong with the economy NOW?..

Well, one factoid: the deficit has blown out by $5Bn, there is no time Morriscum can say that the Budget will be in surplus. The Libs are protecting tax dodgers so the Budget will sink further and further into deficit.

Incorrect , not 5 billion , 50 billion . Sloppy DOUBLED the budget deficit , in 6 months , after promising a surplus in first year , F for fail libs , F for fail Roll Eyes

Show me where/when he said that...

Here ya go AP....No need to thank me!!!

Quote:

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey's claim that the Coalition would be on track to deliver a budget surplus in the first year of taking office.

Earlier, Mr Abbott stopped short of guaranteeing a surplus in the Coalition’s first year, instead arguing the budget position would be ‘‘better’’ than under Labor.

A 50-page booklet launched by Mr Abbott at a campaign rally on Sunday commits the Coalition to ‘‘get the budget back under control’’ and ‘‘live within our means’’, but does not spell out a timeframe.

Mr Hockey told the National Press Club last year: ‘‘Based on the numbers presented last Tuesday night we will achieve a surplus in our first year in office and we will achieve a surplus for every year of our first term.’’

On Monday, Mr Hockey said he had not retreated from the pledge.

‘‘Our commitment is emphatic,’’ Mr Hockey told ABC Radio’s AM program.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-about-face-on-surp...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-23/jericho-inequality-will-cast-a-shadow-over...

Swan did the same thing, endlessly promising surpluses and instead dleivering the biggest deficits in history.

Incorrect, the Libs have delivered the biggest deficit in history because of a confidence killing austerity budget and putting all of their eggs in the dead mining industry basket. Massive

F

for Failure.

Incorrect again. 2010 and 2011 both had LARGER deficits.

.. and a 'budget deficit' is only an estimate, rarely attained, of the balance of revenue v outgoings...

What is needed is proper accounting and a summation of the way the Estimates worked over the Budget period...... not more guesswork piled on guesswork....

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Reply #67 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:21am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:09am:

Its time wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:22am:

philperth2010 wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 7:55pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:55pm:

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:47pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 6:10pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Shorten has already released more policy than any LOTO bar Hewson. All the RWNJs have to do is read it.

Meantime Turnbull’s narrative is {waffle} {spin} {gaffe} {spin} {waffle}

hes busy.. fighting the terrorists..

Ahahahahaha Waffles with assault rifle running in the desert bwahahaha

Nah, he is waffling, spinning and gaffing. All at sea, no idea what to do about the economy.

whats wrong with the economy NOW?..

Well, one factoid: the deficit has blown out by $5Bn, there is no time Morriscum can say that the Budget will be in surplus. The Libs are protecting tax dodgers so the Budget will sink further and further into deficit.

Incorrect , not 5 billion , 50 billion . Sloppy DOUBLED the budget deficit , in 6 months , after promising a surplus in first year , F for fail libs , F for fail Roll Eyes

Show me where/when he said that...

Here ya go AP....No need to thank me!!!

Quote:

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed Shadow Treasurer Joe Hockey's claim that the Coalition would be on track to deliver a budget surplus in the first year of taking office.

Earlier, Mr Abbott stopped short of guaranteeing a surplus in the Coalition’s first year, instead arguing the budget position would be ‘‘better’’ than under Labor.

A 50-page booklet launched by Mr Abbott at a campaign rally on Sunday commits the Coalition to ‘‘get the budget back under control’’ and ‘‘live within our means’’, but does not spell out a timeframe.

Mr Hockey told the National Press Club last year: ‘‘Based on the numbers presented last Tuesday night we will achieve a surplus in our first year in office and we will achieve a surplus for every year of our first term.’’

On Monday, Mr Hockey said he had not retreated from the pledge.

‘‘Our commitment is emphatic,’’ Mr Hockey told ABC Radio’s AM program.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/abbotts-about-face-on-surp...

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-23/jericho-inequality-will-cast-a-shadow-over...

Swan did the same thing, endlessly promising surpluses and instead dleivering the biggest deficits in history.

Incorrect, the Libs have delivered the biggest deficit in history because of a confidence killing austerity budget and putting all of their eggs in the dead mining industry basket. Massive

F

for Failure.

Incorrect again. 2010 and 2011 both had LARGER deficits.

Incorrect, when I went to school 50 billion was more than 30 billion, especially when a surplus was promised first year, still a massive

F

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Reply #69 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:32am

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49am:

SUP YOU MISSED THE

WHERE WILL HE GET THE CASH FROM??...

we know yer luv im...and can see no wrong in him.. but he wont have construction companies to blackmail into handing over zillions...

its a bit unbecoming even for someone of his ilk...

so where is all the money coming from... and how on earth renewable will save this country or pay THAT MASSIVE DEBT I dont understand??..

can we sell renewable instead of iron ore??

There is a huge drain of cash from the Budget to very wealthy people. Just the super component of that will cost the Budget $50Bn next financial year.

Then there is Negative Gearing, CGT, tighten the FBT, quite the scope for massive Budget savings. Put some of that into increasing NewStart and the economy will get a boost as will GST, income tax and company tax payments. Then there is tackling the tax dodging by large corporations, another cornucopia of revenue. If we can’t do it then hugely increase payroll tax, that is a good tax, the bigger the employer is the more tax he pays.

None of this is rocket science, cods, just a Lib (or Green) govt will offend their wealthy backers. Yes I know a Greens govt will never happen but the principle applies.

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Reply #71 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:50am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:40am:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:32am:

There is a huge drain of cash from the Budget to very wealthy people. Just the super component of that will cost the Budget $50Bn next financial year.

Show us the data on the $50Bn please

Rich people are a huge drain on the budget??!!

Its on the same page as the polls being 50:50 the FTTN costing $200B and the $30B audit cost of copper wiring. That and the 'fact' that we are now in a deep recession.

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Reply #72 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:33am

cods wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 8:49am:

SUP YOU MISSED THE

WHERE WILL HE GET THE CASH FROM??...

we know yer luv im...and can see no wrong in him.. but he wont have construction companies to blackmail into handing over zillions...

its a bit unbecoming even for someone of his ilk...

so where is all the money coming from... and how on earth renewable will save this country or pay THAT MASSIVE DEBT I dont understand??..

can we sell renewable instead of iron ore??

We can build a few hundred kilometres by a few hundred kilometres and use HVDC to export it to SE Asia et al......

If we were clever that is

Resourcefulness and all that you know buddy

Economies were meant to be robust and stuff and all

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Reply #73 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:39am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:24am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:50pm:

a good article phil

Yes very good.

While it was always obvious that Abbott would be a failure I think it was sad that Hockey also failed so badly.

Lol, Who was John Howard again??

Peter Costello??

Hockey ???

It is not looking like a very good legacy for these guys: lucky 9-11 happened for good ol Johnny to start up the non-stop dog-whistling Shocked

The dog whistle even let them buy back the copper wire ... that's a powerful dog- whistle that is!!!

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Reply #74 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:42am

Its time wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:32pm:

John Smith wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 8:27pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:58pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 5:57pm:

cods wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:40pm:

Jovial Monk wrote on Nov 22^nd, 2015 at 4:31pm:

Shorten has already released more policy than any LOTO bar Hewson. All the RWNJs have to do is read it.

Meantime Turnbull’s narrative is {waffle} {spin} {gaffe} {spin} {waffle}

hes busy.. fighting the terrorists..

Ahahahahaha Waffles with assault rifle running in the desert bwahahaha

Nah, he is waffling, spinning and gaffing. All at sea, no idea what to do about the economy.

whats wrong with the economy NOW?..

well, if there was a budget emergency when the debt was half what it is now and govt. spending was lower, what is it now?

It's humiliating for them to admit the Libs have no idea how to manage an economy when there isn't a mining/housing boom and there isn't anymore assets or gold left to sell.

--> it's easy: you just buy back the copper so the punters are forced to desperately pander to sell the next lot of rock!

The elite win again Shocked

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