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Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery
Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:49am

Tuesday was a remarkable day/night in the Northern Territory's Legislative Assembly as the Giles government first mustered and then lost the numbers in critical votes on the position of Independent Speaker Kezia Purick.

The government first gathered the numbers in an open vote on the floor of parliament to depose the Speaker, having the support of its 12 members and Independent Larissa Lee.

But as is required by standing orders, the Legislative Assembly moved straight into a secret ballot to elect a new Speaker.

Which is where it all came unstuck for the government. The government nominated Greatorex MP Matt Conlan, while Labor and the cross-bench re-nominated Purick.

In the secrecy of the ballot, one of the government's supporters voted for Purick, resulting in her being re-elected as Speaker. Now Purick and key cross-bench member Gerry Wood have said they are re-considering their past view that the government should serve out its term.

And emboldened by its success on Tuesday, Labor has given notice of a motion of no confidence, to be debated in December, that could be the first step to either a change of Chief Minister or an early election.

It is the latest blow for the Country Liberal government and a long way from the party's smashing victory under former leader Terry Mills in 2012, when the party won 16 seats in the Legislative Assembly to Labor's eight with one Independent.

In this post I have included the ABC-TV News reports of the remarkable events of Tuesday night, as well as background on the Giles government's shaky grip on power.

blogs.abc.net.au/antonygreen/2015/11/northern-territory-speaker-defeated-and-the
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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59103 Here Gender:	Re: Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery Reply #1 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56am The value of a secret ballot - giving people who are bullied into towing the party line the opportunity to vote honestly has a real value. Maybe all political votes should be done anonymously.
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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery Reply #2 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 6:10am it sounds so typical of the Redneck NT.. mob rule..I have a friend who lives up there and its all eye rolling stuff...havent they sold the place off to the Chinese....
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Reply #3 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:20am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56am:

The value of a secret ballot - giving people who are bullied into towing the party line the opportunity to vote honestly has a real value.

Maybe all political votes should be done anonymously.

Be careful what you wish for. Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way. If there had been a secret ballot, do you think the carbon tax would have ever gotten up? Perhaps not. After all, it only needed ONE labor Mp to recognise what an electoral disaster it would be.

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Reply #4 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:27am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56am:

The value of a secret ballot - giving people who are bullied into towing the party line the opportunity to vote honestly has a real value.

Maybe all political votes should be done anonymously.

Be careful what you wish for. Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way. If there had been a secret ballot, do you think the carbon tax would have ever gotten up? Perhaps not. After all, it only needed ONE labor Mp to recognise what an electoral disaster it would be.

While unpopular at the time, it was hardly the Government's biggest issue. The perception of incompetence is far more damaging.

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Reply #5 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:44am

Kytro wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:27am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56am:

The value of a secret ballot - giving people who are bullied into towing the party line the opportunity to vote honestly has a real value.

Maybe all political votes should be done anonymously.

Be careful what you wish for. Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way. If there had been a secret ballot, do you think the carbon tax would have ever gotten up? Perhaps not. After all, it only needed ONE labor Mp to recognise what an electoral disaster it would be.

While unpopular at the time, it was hardly the Government's biggest issue. The perception of incompetence is far more damaging.

True. I was just addressing the idea of secret ballots. Labor has a lot more to lose than Libs since they already permit crossing the floor.

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Reply #6 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am

The NT will see Australia's next change of government. The current government has been quite farcical in its administration which has included a Chief Minister deposed while overseas. The NT public are sick of this conservative government and the government cannot survive for much longer.

Notice of a vote of no confidence has been given. I am not surprised. Not one bit. The only thing that's surprising really is that it has taken this long.

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Bam Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 21905 Gender:	Re: Couldn't run a piss up in a brewery Reply #7 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:09am Labor voter wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:49am: In this post I have included the ABC-TV News reports of the remarkable events of Tuesday night, as well as background on the Giles government's shaky grip on power. Northern Territory Speaker Defeated and then Re-Elected Fixed it for you.
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Reply #8 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:28am

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

The NT will see Australia's next change of government. The current government has been quite farcical in its administration which has included a Chief Minister deposed while overseas. The NT public are sick of this conservative government and the government cannot survive for much longer.

Notice of a vote of no confidence has been given. I am not surprised. Not one bit. The only thing that's surprising really is that it has taken this long.

Enjoy it since there is no likelihood of labor winning govt anywhere else. Turnbull has got federal labor in an induced coma.

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Reply #9 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:07am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:28am:

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

The NT will see Australia's next change of government. The current government has been quite farcical in its administration which has included a Chief Minister deposed while overseas. The NT public are sick of this conservative government and the government cannot survive for much longer.

Notice of a vote of no confidence has been given. I am not surprised. Not one bit. The only thing that's surprising really is that it has taken this long.

Enjoy it since there is no likelihood of labor winning govt anywhere else.

Wrong.

Labor is also in with a good chance in Western Australia, though WA's next election isn't due until 11 March 2017 - after the NT election.

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Reply #10 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:16am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56am:

The value of a secret ballot - giving people who are bullied into towing the party line the opportunity to vote honestly has a real value.

Maybe all political votes should be done anonymously.

Be careful what you wish for. Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way. If there had been a secret ballot, do you think the carbon tax would have ever gotten up? Perhaps not. After all, it only needed ONE labor Mp to recognise what an electoral disaster it would be.

Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way.

I am sure that they wouldn't but would still prefer to see some honesty prevail.

On the fixed carbon price you also have no idea of how many conservatives may have chosen to vote to support an obviously good policy.

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Reply #11 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:19am

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:28am:

Bam wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 9:07am:

The NT will see Australia's next change of government. The current government has been quite farcical in its administration which has included a Chief Minister deposed while overseas. The NT public are sick of this conservative government and the government cannot survive for much longer.

Notice of a vote of no confidence has been given. I am not surprised. Not one bit. The only thing that's surprising really is that it has taken this long.

Enjoy it since there is no likelihood of labor winning govt anywhere else. Turnbull has got federal labor in an induced coma.

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Reply #12 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:43am

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:16am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 7:20am:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 5:56am:

The value of a secret ballot - giving people who are bullied into towing the party line the opportunity to vote honestly has a real value.

Maybe all political votes should be done anonymously.

Be careful what you wish for. Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way. If there had been a secret ballot, do you think the carbon tax would have ever gotten up? Perhaps not. After all, it only needed ONE labor Mp to recognise what an electoral disaster it would be.

Don't assume that all the surprise results will go your way.

I am sure that they wouldn't but would still prefer to see some honesty prevail.

On the fixed carbon price you also have no idea of how many conservatives may have chosen to vote to support an obviously good policy.

That's why i was hated by the majority of australians. Move on DNA. The Carbon Tax issues has been tried and failed. But at least Shorten wants one back so he can make sure he loses by an even bigger margin!

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Reply #14 - Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 12:00pm

John Smith wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 11:52am:

mariacostel wrote on Nov 23^rd, 2015 at 10:43am:

That's why i was hated by the majority of australians.

When it come to the carbon tax, the majority of Australia know best, when it comes to CSG, Maria says the majority aren't informed and should be grateful that mining companies are taking over their land.

Cheesy

There seems to be absolutely nothing about context and content that you ever understand on any topic.

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