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Reply #165 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:23am
 
Turn that all around Grappler.  Switch the genders... THEN you get close to what women have lived with through the millenia.

NOW.. you believe MEN are copping the same .. well like I said  SUCK IT UP.  We have had lots of it. Your turn. Smiley to experience something unpleasant and unwanted.
What goes around comes around,  and Men are now just starting to be held to paying their dues. 

Hard isn't it.?  Unfair ?  No.

We either learn from the past or not. Doesn't mean things are locked in stone. Change is part and parcel of life. Be ready and accept with good grace the changing of the tides.
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Reply #166 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:46am
 
As long as some stick to the idea that women are always the victim - and men have never been - there is no resolution in sight - especially when some think that somehow there is justice in attacking an  innocent in order to justify some alleged wrong by someone else far away in the distant past.

The truth is that under a philosophy that people who have done no wrong should suffer to rectify purported ills of the past, and that a general approach of unconstrained assault on a specified social group for some alleged past ills is fair, reasonable and likely to produce zero violence - everyone is going to get their turn in the barrel - and NOBODY will 'win' anything, but all will cop their share of casualties.

Anyone who, at this stage, cannot see that the focus of power in place on attacking men as a solution to violence will only generate more violence and is indeed violence, will one day soon reap the whirlwind they have sown as a breeze... and many will suffer for no valid result.

Stop The Violence!
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Reply #167 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:53am
 
Why do you imagine that people such as my good self do not understand and have not experienced nasty things?

Those who know me well get a glimpse of a simple truth - only those who have suffered a great deal truly know what it takes to know the truth, and the truth that there is room for decency and humanity towards all..

People who think there is some justice in abusing the innocent to allay the injuries of the past or present towards people they never met.. are totally out of touch.

Ask the Blue Tongued Lizards in my yard.. or the swallows who nest every year in the toilet.... none ever suffers injury or insult.

But then - none attack me, do they?
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Reply #168 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:55am
 
Last word - gotta go to bed:-

To Stop the Violence - you must first understand it.
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Reply #170 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:47am
 
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:23am:
More than 50 women this year so far.


it should be...

but once again some people on this forum want to take the focus off with red herrings like talking about the 1%ers...

the problem is with men and men only on this day...

what kind of gutless wonder beats a woman anyways.. what a piece of puke...  Angry
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Reply #171 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:06am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:47am:
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:23am:
More than 50 women this year so far.


it should be...

but once again some people on this forum want to take the focus off with red herrings like talking about the 1%ers...

the problem is with men and men only on this day...

what kind of gutless wonder beats a woman anyways.. what a piece of puke...  Angry



indeed mechanic,  you have my respect for stating that in strong terms.

but it would still take the average male a lot of self control to have a civil conversation with Mothra or Emma.

they are the flip side of the equation.

they have no interest whatsoever in understanding the issue and just want to use it as an occassion to hate on men.

this is an interesting phenomenom for a pair of self declared lefties.

their type (Durrrrrrr mode , brain dead, numpties) never cease to tell people how low it is to hate on all muslims, how low it is to hate on assylum seekers, yet they do the exact same thing to 3 billion of the earths inhabitants.(men)

the leftard feminist has been ( to my mind) the cause of this problem. they have taken little boys and put them in feminist run schools, humiliated them with female teachers, feminists like gillard had to have boys in school a year early , when half of them arent even properly toilet trained, so they can run to a strange woman when they wet themselves for more humiliation. the feminist education system , the feminist dominated ideology of the family court, the total lack of men being trained to be real men.....
these problems are a problem made by the men haters and Peel and Mothra are the stereotype models.
thank god my daughters were raised by an intelligent woman and a confident man, not by a mean spirited man hater and a whimp (which would be the leftard definition of a good marriage).
what a tragedy for the young men of australia these types are  Cry Cry
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Reply #172 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:08am
 
President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 5:47am:
mothra wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 12:23am:
More than 50 women this year so far.


it should be...

but once again some people on this forum want to take the focus off with red herrings like talking about the 1%ers...

the problem is with men and men only on this day...

what kind of gutless wonder beats a woman anyways.. what a piece of puke...  Angry



they need to change the name from DOMESTIC VIOLENCE to FAMILY VIOLENCE..... domestic always reeks of female...and it upset some.. who feel there are a lot of men who cannot defend themselves against women...because at the end of the day... the female tends to kill rather than just beat up..

either way violence is violence...it doesnt have boundaries...and usually in the middle are children...

where has all this violence come from??...why are those killing babies getting younger???...at least it seems to me they are...they are not from struggle street..they seem to want for nothing.. yet they are angry and unhappy.. why????....something rotten is going on in our society..and the longer its ignored the worse it will get.
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Reply #173 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:26am
 
White Ribbon Day with its speeches and rallies ...

How is any of this supposed to reduce the number of DV incidents?

And why is there no mention of Islam containing a clause in its sacred scripts which allows for a husband to beat his wife as long as the stick or rod is no thicker than a finger?

Rallies, speeches, and a lot of moral pontificating and posturing but not a mention of Islam sanctifying the beating of wives.

The feminists are having a field day with pointing the finger at White, Christian, Straight males while studiously ignoring Islam permitting a husband to indulge in domestic violence.

Once again we find the morality of the Leftwing a matter of cherry-picking who are the guilty parties to be pilloried and crucified for wrongdoing, and who are to be exempted from public censure for reasons of political correctness and 'cultural sensitivity' considerations.

The pick-and-choose hypocrisy of Leftwing morality is breathtaking.





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Reply #174 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:30am
 
More men need to report the abuses they are suffering. More men need to apply for AVO/DVOs and more men need to work at being part of the system that is in place.

A big part of this issue of the "system being against men" (which it isn't) is that men often try to "fix it" by their own thought out methodology - and then get all bent outta shape when the very system put in place for them to use bites them.

A DVO works both ways.

A formal complaint to the Police works both ways.

That, in fact, is the least complex aspect to this issue.
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Reply #175 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:57am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 6:26am:
White Ribbon Day with its speeches and rallies ...

How is any of this supposed to reduce the number of DV incidents?

And why is there no mention of Islam containing a clause in its sacred scripts which allows for a husband to beat his wife as long as the stick or rod is no thicker than a finger?

Rallies, speeches, and a lot of moral pontificating and posturing but not a mention of Islam sanctifying the beating of wives.

The feminists are having a field day with pointing the finger at White, Christian, Straight males while studiously ignoring Islam permitting a husband to indulge in domestic violence.

Once again we find the morality of the Leftwing a matter of cherry-picking who are the guilty parties to be pilloried and crucified for wrongdoing, and who are to be exempted from public censure for reasons of political correctness and 'cultural sensitivity' considerations.

The pick-and-choose hypocrisy of Leftwing morality is breathtaking.



White Ribbon Day doesn't mention the religion of the perpetrators of violence.

Nor do feminists.

There is no mention of Christianity, Scientology, Buddhism, or Islam.

Moreover, there is no mention of sexuality or skin colour.

The only person cherry-picking, is you.

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Reply #176 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 7:16am
 
DVOs are usually the last order.... its the lead up to that and other horrors that is the major problem...

if people got out of each others lives and live and let live there would be no need for DVOs..

women especially think they have some magic power that they can change someone..make them reasonable  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes.. they start off by blaming themselves...I  didnt mow the lawn to his liking... Roll Eyes.. keep trying love you will get it right ... maybe..women hate to 'fail' or appear to fail... men seem to think they OWN things and people...and can dictate to their partners...that is very much a male thing...

any form of violence should have mandatory counselling..

you do the full course or its jail...and if you dont do well... then you do it again...not hard not really...

you dont get to drive on the road unless you pass a TEST....why should living with and respecting someone be any different.,.that goes for both side...it takes two to tango..
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Reply #177 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:44am
 
Does anyone know if AVO/DVO turns up in a Police check?

If so then a maliciously lodged AVO/DVO can impact future employment
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Reply #178 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:50am
 
Maqqa wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 8:44am:
Does anyone know if AVO/DVO turns up in a Police check?

If so then a maliciously lodged AVO/DVO can impact future employment


"What is included on my National Police History Check Certificate?

"A National Police History Check Certificate lists your disclosable court outcomes and pending charges (subject to relevant spent convictions/non-disclosure legislation and/or information release policies).

"Disclosable Court Outcomes means the record of court convictions and findings of guilt, to which provisions of relevant spent convictions/non disclosure legislation and/or information release policies have been applied.

"The type and amount of information that is released will depend upon the category and purpose of the check, as well as the jurisdiction where convictions are recorded (and vetted). Spent convictions legislation or information release policies will be applied to this process by vetting police agencies."
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Reply #179 - Nov 27th, 2015 at 9:24am
 
Emma wrote on Nov 27th, 2015 at 2:23am:
Turn that all around Grappler.  Switch the genders... THEN you get close to what women have lived with through the millenia.

NOW.. you believe MEN are copping the same .. well like I said  SUCK IT UP.  We have had lots of it. Your turn. Smiley to experience something unpleasant and unwanted.
What goes around comes around,  and Men are now just starting to be held to paying their dues. 

Hard isn't it.?  Unfair ?  No.

We either learn from the past or not. Doesn't mean things are locked in stone. Change is part and parcel of life. Be ready and accept with good grace the changing of the tides.


Congratulations Emma, you have become the lowest common denominator of this thread.


Emma wrote on Nov 26th, 2015 at 11:24pm:
well Fezz.. you need to understand that your son has caused an issue, by his actions.  If he had recognised his position, as you claim it, he should have removed himself from the scene. If they were that drunk, they'd have fallen asleep sooner or later.

You blame the women, your son is an innocent victim of male-bashing by his partner and her friend, due to alcohol abuse.
Its complicated ..? Not really is it.? Pretty simple really. Walk away from drunks. Obviously your son didn't..

I don't know all the circumstances of this matter.. but .........discretion is the better part of valor. Perhaps your son was also drunk?  No?  a Teetotaller? 

What is he doing.? If you are straight,  you get involved with drug takers.. what can you expect?.

That crosses gender-lines, and becomes about commonsense.  Unless of course, that old testosterone was playing with his mind.  You just have to walk away sometimes.. at least till they've sobered up. !



There is so much apologist slanging in this post from page 9 I'm not even going to give credence to any of it...you know I have actually had a lot of respect on this forum in the past of you Emma, however you have showed you're true colors...and they are turning decidedly black today...quite apt for Black Friday.
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