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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #180 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 9:33am

Someone (up there ^^^^) was critical that I had posted some YouTube videos of very well behaved women Here is another one, and there are zillions of similar ones.

The point is.....everyone needs to understand that women are no longer the wilting violets of days gone by. Some of them have become very verbally and physically aggressive bitches, and it is no wonder, if they behave (anywhere, including in the Home) as is shown in these clips, they get a physical response. Men have to own it, and so do the women who provoke it with their potty screaming mouths and conduct.

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Reply #181 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:32am

cods wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 7:16am:

DVOs are usually the last order.... its the lead up to that and other horrors that is the major problem...

if people got out of each others lives and live and let live there would be no need for DVOs..

women especially think they have some magic power that they can change someone..make them reasonable Roll Eyes

.. they start off by blaming themselves...I didnt mow the lawn to his liking... Roll Eyes

.. keep trying love you will get it right ... maybe..women hate to 'fail' or appear to fail... men seem to think they OWN things and people...and can dictate to their partners...that is very much a male thing...

any form of violence should have mandatory counselling..

you do the full course or its jail...and if you dont do well... then you do it again...not hard not really...

you dont get to drive on the road unless you pass a TEST....why should living with and respecting someone be any different.,.that goes for both side...it takes two to tango..

Cods, with 1/2 of all marriages ending in divorce and with most divorces being, unfortunately, acrymonious, a DVO wold not be the "last" order, they would be the very first thing that any woman wanting to obtain an advantage would apply for.

Second to this would be a report to childrens services that the child has come back from an access visit and reported that daddy has "touched me"

To think otherwise , here on planet earth which i call "reality" is......

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Reply #182 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:37am

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 6:30am:

More men need to report the abuses they are suffering. More men need to apply for AVO/DVOs and more men need to work at being part of the system that is in place.

No, they don't. Acting like women will not help anyone or anything.

Women complain, men adapt. If everyone just complained, we'd be on a fast track back to the stone age.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38859 Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #183 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:28pm Why the big deal about some bloke who did not stand for Batty? Is she royalty, or something? Who cares? Does she give a flying phark? Link.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #184 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:57pm The poor, like the mocked and despised, have always been with us. Who they are changes in each turn. The mockers and despisers are always the same. There are perhaps 32 alive at any time who are not mockers and despisers.
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Reply #185 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:04pm

Phemanderac wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 6:30am:

More men need to report the abuses they are suffering. More men need to apply for AVO/DVOs and more men need to work at being part of the system that is in place.

A big part of this issue of the "system being against men" (which it isn't) is that men often try to "fix it" by their own thought out methodology - and then get all bent outta shape when the very system put in place for them to use bites them.

A DVO works both ways.

A formal complaint to the Police works both ways.

That, in fact, is the least complex aspect to this issue.

You are right Phd. Men have as much right to the protection of the Law as women.
That seems to have escaped the notice of those who whinge on about how bad men have gotten it lately.
Spare us, please. Roll Eyes

They are obviously either ignorant of the Law, or incompetent to use these measures themselves, for whatever reason..

Sadly, DVO's and AVO's haven't been accorded much respect by Police, until recently.
NOW, they have to step up and do the right thing, according to Law.

It isn't a conspiracy by those other fellas,( you know the Courts, and the judiciary) , to disenfranchise Men.
This whole campaign focuses on societal views.
It is an attempt to change the perspective of the ignorant by providing facts. Facts that should horrify any reasonable person.

Again sadly, comments by some posters on here show just how difficult that task will be.

EVENTUALLY... you old whingers will die out. Maybe then ???

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Reply #188 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:10am

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

mothra wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

More than 50 women this year so far.

it should be...

but once again some people on this forum want to take the focus off with red herrings like talking about the 1%ers...

the problem is with men and men only on this day...

what kind of gutless wonder beats a woman anyways.. what a piece of puke... Angry

I beg to differ - the problem is with SOME men - and most of those afflicted by the current handling of 'domestic violence' have NOT beaten women. 'domestic violence' has become perverted into a 'man on woman ONLY' concept, when the facts speak otherwise.

I argue that the very handling of 'domestic violence' under this regime is one of the primary causes of the escalating war between men and women - and that is why I advocate a reversion to Family Violence with a full discussion and understanding of all the issues involved in it, and not just the same old failed idea that by beating up on men, the whole problem of violence will be resolved.

I've attempted to discuss the real issues time and again here - and none of you seem to even want to view the facts, but prefer to stick to the same old worn-out assumption that only men beat women etc - and that women never attack men and then suffer more for doing so - and that women really don't kill more of their own children than natural fathers do.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #189 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:18am

**commits DV on page to turn it**

When 25% of people in prison are there for breaches of DV orders - you cannot seriously contend that the police don't take these illegal orders seriously.

I'm afraid some of you are totally immersed in the propaganda and have no concept of the realities. If there is a war against women - it is a war declared by women backed by legislators, courts and police - and that level of violence against any social group will have consequences.

Is it so hard to understand that if you go around causing terrible trouble for people with all sorts of unfounded accusations, and create hell for them just to get your own way - you have created the cause for your own fear - not the person you afflicted.

If I accused a neighbour of being violent when he did no such thing, and had him sanctions, locked up, perhaps beaten as a result... would I not have cause to be wary of him thereafter? Same for a woman who does these things.

Often people create their own reason to fear - the fear has nothing to do with the person they claim to fear... and while ever the standard of 'proof' is that someone 'feels' fear - there is no end in sight to this war against men.

Rather than 'dying out' - we old whingers will be replaced by a new generation of abused men, growing in numbers due to the current misconceived approach to Family Violence - and the war will continue to escalate - even though we 'old whingers' have sought to defuse it and bring it down to a level of sanity instead of the feminist insanity that currently holds sway.

Continuing to heap violence on violence will not end violence - it will only make it worse until there is one massive explosion.

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aquascoot Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35192 Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #190 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 7:13am Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:20pm: no wuckers emma does seem like a relative of pecker. the syntax reveals that emma probably has a degree of amyloid deposition in the cortex or cerebral atrophy from ethanol abuse.
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Phemanderac Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3507 Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #191 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 7:21am aquascoot wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 7:13am: Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 11:20pm: no wuckers emma does seem like a relative of pecker. the syntax reveals that emma probably has a degree of amyloid deposition in the cortex or cerebral atrophy from ethanol abuse. Wipe your chin...
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Reply #192 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 7:39am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:32am:

cods wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 7:16am:

DVOs are usually the last order.... its the lead up to that and other horrors that is the major problem...

if people got out of each others lives and live and let live there would be no need for DVOs..

women especially think they have some magic power that they can change someone..make them reasonable Roll Eyes

.. they start off by blaming themselves...I didnt mow the lawn to his liking... Roll Eyes

.. keep trying love you will get it right ... maybe..women hate to 'fail' or appear to fail... men seem to think they OWN things and people...and can dictate to their partners...that is very much a male thing...

any form of violence should have mandatory counselling..

you do the full course or its jail...and if you dont do well... then you do it again...not hard not really...

you dont get to drive on the road unless you pass a TEST....why should living with and respecting someone be any different.,.that goes for both side...it takes two to tango..

Cods, with 1/2 of all marriages ending in divorce and with most divorces being, unfortunately, acrymonious, a DVO wold not be the "last" order, they would be the very first thing that any woman wanting to obtain an advantage would apply for.

Second to this would be a report to childrens services that the child has come back from an access visit and reported that daddy has "touched me"

To think otherwise , here on planet earth which i call "reality" is......

Naive Wink

yes we have a lot of divorce!mainly because its so easy...divorce I mean just cough up money..

why bring up divorce.. DV doesnt mean you have to be MARRIED....to experience it... Roll Eyes

what planet are you on?...

you do not just walk into a police station and ask for and get a DV.order..... after putting up with quite a lot from a lout....my granddaughter was attacked in her car with her son of 12months...whilst said lout smashed her windscreen with a baseball bat....up until then his behavour drinking not coming home.not giving her money. for every day items..the usual stuff.... was not considered DV...

the word VIOLENCE means just that...

and yes said victim must make a charge for it to stick... which in many cases can make thing worse..

the louts can get away with so much...and they know it.

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Reply #193 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 10:45am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 6:06am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

mothra wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

More than 50 women this year so far.

it should be...

but once again some people on this forum want to take the focus off with red herrings like talking about the 1%ers...

the problem is with men and men only on this day...

what kind of gutless wonder beats a woman anyways.. what a piece of puke... Angry

indeed mechanic, you have my respect for stating that in strong terms.

but it would still take the average male a lot of self control to have a civil conversation with Mothra or Emma.

they are the flip side of the equation.

they have no interest whatsoever in understanding the issue and just want to use it as an occassion to hate on men.

this is an interesting phenomenom for a pair of self declared lefties.

their type (Durrrrrrr mode , brain dead, numpties) never cease to tell people how low it is to hate on all muslims, how low it is to hate on assylum seekers, yet they do the exact same thing to 3 billion of the earths inhabitants.(men)

the leftard feminist has been ( to my mind) the cause of this problem. they have taken little boys and put them in feminist run schools, humiliated them with female teachers, feminists like gillard had to have boys in school a year early , when half of them arent even properly toilet trained, so they can run to a strange woman when they wet themselves for more humiliation. the feminist education system , the feminist dominated ideology of the family court, the total lack of men being trained to be real men.....
these problems are a problem made by the men haters and Peel and Mothra are the stereotype models.
thank god my daughters were raised by an intelligent woman and a confident man, not by a mean spirited man hater and a whimp (which would be the leftard definition of a good marriage).
what a tragedy for the young men of australia these types are Cry

yes... there is a large growing resentment that all males being lumped into the one basket of Domestic Violence...

you are right that in some corners of society that the feminNazi's are hijacking the debate for their own men hating agenda's...

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Reply #194 - Nov 29^th, 2015 at 12:02am

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:10am:

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 5:47am:

mothra wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:23am:

More than 50 women this year so far.

it should be...

but once again some people on this forum want to take the focus off with red herrings like talking about the 1%ers...

the problem is with men and men only on this day...

what kind of gutless wonder beats a woman anyways.. what a piece of puke... Angry

I beg to differ - the problem is with SOME men - and most of those afflicted by the current handling of 'domestic violence' have NOT beaten women. 'domestic violence' has become perverted into a 'man on woman ONLY' concept, when the facts speak otherwise.

I argue that the very handling of 'domestic violence' under this regime is one of the primary causes of the escalating war between men and women - and that is why I advocate a reversion to Family Violence with a full discussion and understanding of all the issues involved in it, and not just the same old failed idea that by beating up on men, the whole problem of violence will be resolved.

I've attempted to discuss the real issues time and again here - and none of you seem to even want to view the facts, but prefer to stick to the same old worn-out assumption that only men beat women etc - and that women never attack men and then suffer more for doing so - and that women really don't kill more of their own children than natural fathers do.

How can yo possibly think that anyone reading your tripe, could ever be swayed to your view.? You are being ridiculous.

It has been clearly acknowledged here, by me, and others, that women can and do perpetrate domestic violence. Why do you not see that.?

NOBODY BUT YOU, says any different.
Even Scooter understands that women CAN beat on men, given the conditions at the time, but women are MUCH LESS LIKELY to resort to violence .

You seem to say that the Law is the biggest abuser of men, and women are their confederates. ..

What can I take from that ?

Pretty much ONLY

that YOU have been sanctioned (

) for behaviour unbecoming to a gentleman. Else why the angst.?..

You'd run down any one who 'doesn't seem to understand your point' ..you fail to see that the lack of support for your diatribes result from a genuine concern and abhorrence at your verbiage.

Your views are seriously skewed.

You blame and blame and blame everyone but yourself.!! ..Get help my friend...

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