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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #15 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:24pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 9:37pm:
The research/data consistently shows that males are the perpetrators in most cases.


1 in 5 women experience some form of DV
1 in 20 men experience some form of DV
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Reply #16 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:28pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing


Oh boy...where do I start?

I think I'll start here....

Aqua, police do not issue dvo's.
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Reply #17 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:29pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise


No.  It's just like how people think violence on the streets is increasing, but has actually been on a long, steady decline since...forever. 

We live in the safest time there has ever been.
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Reply #18 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:31pm
 
I was married a long time ago &
the best decision I ever made in my life was to get divorced.

All the married guys at work look miserable
& are jealous of me.
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Reply #19 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:33pm
 
... wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:29pm:
We live in the safest time there has ever been.



I agree it is safer, which is why more than one woman dead a week in this day and age is ridiculous

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Reply #20 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:36pm
 
John Smith wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:33pm:
... wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:29pm:
We live in the safest time there has ever been.



I agree it is safer, which is why more than one woman dead a week in this day and age is ridiculous



Well obviously it's not great, but this "any cost if it saves just one life" mentality has gone to absurd lengths. 

You can't save everyone from themselves, no matter how much you try.

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Reply #21 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:37pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing


Oh boy...where do I start?

I think I'll start here....

Aqua, police do not issue dvo's.


well, they are not the final arbiters but they certainly can and do issue protection orders and will issue them even if both parties decide they dont want to take it further.

from qld community website

The police play an important role in responding to domestic and family violence. Some of the actions police can take include:

investigating suspected domestic violence
issuing a police protection notice if they are satisfied that domestic violence occurred and the aggrieved requires immediate protection from further violence
applying for a domestic violence order if they are satisfied domestic violence occurred
entering and searching premises without a warrant if they suspect domestic violence has occurred or there is a risk of domestic violence occurring soon
seizing anything that has been or may be used to commit domestic violence
taking the person committing the violence into custody for a maximum period of eight hours if they believe another person or another person's property is in danger of being damaged because of domestic violence
asking a magistrate to make a temporary protection order by telephone, fax, radio or other similar device
investigating breaches of a domestic violence order when a respondent continues to commit domestic violence after the order has been made
charging a respondent with a criminal offence if sufficient evidence is available that a breach of a domestic violence order has occurred
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Reply #22 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:40pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:31pm:
I was married a long time ago &
the best decision I ever made in my life was to get divorced.

All the married guys at work look miserable
& are jealous of me.


I was married a long time ago and the best decision I ever made in my life was to get divorced.

Why? It gave me the chance to be free to think about what I wanted in life.

I wanted to be married.....but it had to be with someone who was the exact opposite of my 1st husband.

These days I'm married and happy. I'm also very busy and always tired.

Sometimes I wake up grumpy.

Sometimes I let him sleep lol  Tongue
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Reply #23 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:41pm
 
... wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:29pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise


No.  It's just like how people think violence on the streets is increasing, but has actually been on a long, steady decline since...forever. 

We live in the safest time there has ever been. 


thats sort of the impression i got.
i know a cop who tells me they are always getting called out now when there is a disturbance of the peace, a girlfriend and boyfirend yelling at each other and they will take out a dvo themselves , so that the parties stop ringing the police and wasting their time.
is this akin to the fear campaign about 1 woman a week dying. it seems to me that its just increased reporting.

there would be heaps more drink drivers caught in 2015 then in 1975 but i can assure you that is just increased surveillance. the % drink driving would have been falling every year.

beware of data  Wink
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Reply #24 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:42pm
 
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing


Oh boy...where do I start?

I think I'll start here....

Aqua, police do not issue dvo's.


They do.

Link.
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Reply #25 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:45pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:37pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing


Oh boy...where do I start?

I think I'll start here....

Aqua, police do not issue dvo's.


well, they are not the final arbiters but they certainly can and do issue protection orders and will issue them even if both parties decide they dont want to take it further.

from qld community website

The police play an important role in responding to domestic and family violence. Some of the actions police can take include:

investigating suspected domestic violence
issuing a police protection notice if they are satisfied that domestic violence occurred and the aggrieved requires immediate protection from further violence
applying for a domestic violence order if they are satisfied domestic violence occurred
entering and searching premises without a warrant if they suspect domestic violence has occurred or there is a risk of domestic violence occurring soon
seizing anything that has been or may be used to commit domestic violence
taking the person committing the violence into custody for a maximum period of eight hours if they believe another person or another person's property is in danger of being damaged because of domestic violence
asking a magistrate to make a temporary protection order by telephone, fax, radio or other similar device
investigating breaches of a domestic violence order when a respondent continues to commit domestic violence after the order has been made
charging a respondent with a criminal offence if sufficient evidence is available that a breach of a domestic violence order has occurred


Good work.

Now....let's get back to the issue of raising one's voice.

Would you care to explain how that fits in with  the information in your latest post?
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Reply #26 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:50pm
 
Aussie wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:42pm:
Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:28pm:
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:09pm:
is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing


Oh boy...where do I start?

I think I'll start here....

Aqua, police do not issue dvo's.


They do.

Link.


Oh sigh.

I was referring to interim and final dvo's.

Even so, that link was a good read and worthy IMO.... of entering this discussion.



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Reply #27 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:53pm
 
40 years ago, you wouldnt have seen a stream of people getting DVO's the way you do today.

is this being driven by violent physical attacks with women being beaten and charges of assault occasioning bodily harm suddenly sky rocketing...i say probably not.

is this being driven by lots of women , single mums and divorcees recognising that it is just a great bonus to have a DVO when you attend family court and then calling the cops or going to the court when a guy gets in their face during a heated arguement that does not turn to physical violence...probably yes.

i dont have the stats but i dont believe that more women are being hospitalised with fractured jaws, fractured eyesockets and broken ribs then 30 years ago (per capita).

i think that the more serious end of domestic violence..ie women suffering serious assaults is probably falling and the more minor end of domestic violence...verbal intimidation is probably being reported now in 2015 and wouldnt have been reported in 1975.

thoughts ?
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Reply #28 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:57pm
 
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I was referring to interim and final dvo's.


Back to your usual standards, hey Lisa Jones ~ posting misleading garbage.

A. Scoot posted:

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a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays


You replied:

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Oh boy...where do I start?

I think I'll start here....

Aqua, police do not issue dvo's.


You could not have been any clearer in your dumb rebuke of what A. Scoot posted.

But, do carry on Lisa Jones.
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Reply #29 - Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:58pm
 
aquascoot wrote on Nov 25th, 2015 at 10:53pm:
40 years ago, you wouldnt have seen a stream of people getting DVO's the way you do today.



40 yrs ago if a bloke hit his wife it was acceptable. At best it was ignored.
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