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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #45 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:21am

And, ironically, often times Woman who are victims of DV are confronted with accusatory questions like "why didn't you just leave sooner?"

As such, why would it not be appropriate to ask exactly the same accusatory question (regardless of especially dumb or not)?

aquascoot wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:49am:

all i am saying is that when a guy (especially a dumb guy...notice how many footballers are perps) is really really emotional, it makes sense not to push hot buttons DELIBERATELY. not excusing him at all. he deserves everything he gets.

Perhaps he does deserve everything he gets, of course, that depends ultimately on what exactly he gets.

Tell me this, does the woman (or women) in that exact same scenario deserve what they get too?

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Reply #46 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 8:54am

I note a few people are speaking about "emotional triggers"

Again there are two sides of this story.

Side 1 - don't poke the bear
We all know instances where those closest to us knows our "triggers" and they mercilessly and deliberately push those buttons over and over and over again. They push you to the point where you lose control

Side 2 - no excuses
The aggressor often times us the excuse that he/she pushed me for their inability to control their hair trigger

We all know the truth is somewhere in-between these two sides

As I said in my first post - it's complicated

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #47 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?
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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #48 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:36am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

I would ,like to think....that anyone who is bashed repeatedly ... would know which

BUTTONS NOT TO PUSH..

it isnt rocket science is it??....someone bad and mean uses any excuse I am afraid...

some people take what happens outside the home... home with them and punish their families for it....

look at road rage for instance...its out of control...

this anger/rage is not just in the home...but its there it is doing enormous damage..

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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #49 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:37am Hilariously dumb.
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Reply #50 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:59am

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

Your response is EXACTLY the reason that the mainstream media cannot have a discussion on a complex issue and MUST present everything in black and white terms

Because some chode is going to hit a woman and then say

"ugh ugh, Tracey grimshaw told me that women are pushing my hot buttons, ugh ugh, grunt grunt."

the message has to be black and white for the average dumbie out there.

Nuanced points cant be discussed because so many people cannot hold a paradoxical point of view, they dont want to think, they live in Durrrrrrrr mode.

and for the girl who gets hit after pushing a hot button.
its not her fault at all but she STILL GOT HIT

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Reply #51 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:01am

aquascoot wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:59am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

Your response is EXACTLY the reason that the mainstream media cannot have a discussion on a complex issue and MUST present everything in black and white terms

Because some chode is going to hit a woman and then say

"ugh ugh, Tracey grimshaw told me that women are pushing my hot buttons, ugh ugh, grunt grunt."

the message has to be black and white for the average dumbie out there.

Nuanced points cant be discussed because so many people cannot hold a paradoxical point of view, they dont want to think, they live in Durrrrrrrr mode.

and for the girl who gets hit after pushing a hot button.
its not her fault at all but she STILL GOT HIT

No, I was responding to a statement which seemed to involve victim blaming. Yes, its a complex issue, but there are some aspects which are black and white.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38859 Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #52 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:03am Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am: So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers? Perhaps more accurate to say that the Law (in Qld) provides that provocation is a defence to assault, so from a technical point of view, the answer to that question is yeas.
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Reply #53 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:16am

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

Perhaps more accurate to say that the Law (in Qld) provides that provocation is a defence to assault, so from a technical point of view, the answer to that question is yeas.

You sure about that Aussie? You are saying that it is legal for a man to hit a woman if she irritates him enough? I don't think that it is.

Bear in mind that most of these provocations stem from not having dinner on time, talking to other men, talking back and other such human behaviours that are considered unacceptable to anyone not trying to 'own' somebody else.

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Reply #54 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:27am

mothra wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:16am:

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

Perhaps more accurate to say that the Law (in Qld) provides that provocation is a defence to assault, so from a technical point of view, the answer to that question is yeas.

You sure about that Aussie? You are saying that it is legal for a man to hit a woman if she irritates him enough? I don't think that it is.

Bear in mind that most of these provocations stem from not having dinner on time, talking to other men, talking back and other such human behaviours that are considered unacceptable to anyone not trying to 'own' somebody else.

Yeas, I'm sure about that. I do not post misleading crap like at least one person who claims expert knowledge here does.

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CRIMINAL CODE 1899 - SECT 269
269 Defence of provocation

(1) A person is not criminally responsible for an assault committed upon a person who gives the person provocation for the assault, if the person is in fact deprived by the provocation of the power of self-control, and acts upon it on the sudden and before there is time for the person's passion to cool, and if the force used is not disproportionate to the provocation and is not intended, and is not such as is likely, to cause death or grievous bodily harm.

(2) Whether any particular act or insult is such as to be likely to deprive an ordinary person of the power of self-control and to induce the ordinary person to assault the person by whom the act or insult is done or offered, and whether, in any particular case, the person provoked was actually deprived by the provocation of the power of self-control, and whether any force used is or is not disproportionate to the provocation, are questions of fact.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35585 Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #55 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:29am I suppose the clue in there is "ordinary person". Not having the dishes done is not going to provoke an "ordinary person" to violence.
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Lisa Jones Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 39047 Sydney Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #56 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:21pm Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am: So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers? Only a convicted perpetrator would answer yes to that question and pathetically attempt to use statute law to protect him from facing the reality of his sick and twisted mind.
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Reply #57 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:22pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:03am:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

Perhaps more accurate to say that the Law (in Qld) provides that provocation is a defence to assault, so from a technical point of view, the answer to that question is yeas.

Case in point.

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Reply #58 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:30pm

President Elect, The Mechanic wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 5:46am:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing

over 1 Female a week dies of domestic violence in Australia.. we are already have over 50 deaths this year from coward Males who should be shot straight between the eyes..

Yep.

Over 1 female a week.

It's inexcusable.

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated Reply #59 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:37pm It is NEVER o.k. to hit a woman, no matter what triggers are being pressed...NEVER!!!!!!
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