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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #90 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:50pm

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We wouldn't want you to be inconsistent.

There is no 'we,' Lisa Jones. Just you. You have no-one backing you up.

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But for everyone else....except for Aussie of course who clearly wants to "target" (his word) certain people in here...and has an insatiable urge to derail a DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TOPIC YET AGAIN.....let's move on.

I 'target' stupid, vacuous, inane, garbage misleading and false posts, not people.

You are ignoring (because you need to) that a great deal of women are violent aggressor/provocateurs these days, and men will react accordingly to it, even in the home.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #91 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 5:18pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:50pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:37pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:33pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:12pm:

You're an intelligent guy who thinks too hard lol.

Hope you're keeping well.

Cheers and Congratulations on your nuptials

Ha! I've had 2 kids since then.

We remembered how to do it lol.

Are YOU married yet?

Congrats

Not married but been living with someone for 3 years - she's the one!

Awesome!

If/when you do get married....be sure to let us know.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #92 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 5:19pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:43pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:26pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 4:19pm:

Aussie: check your link in Reply # 80.

It's about name calling people you meet in the street.

And that has S F A to do with this topic or Maqqa or me for that matter. Shocked

Oh....you reckon that woman leaves her 'attitude' just on the streets and only just for 'niggaaaars?'

You probably do, and..... leave Mr Maqqa out of this. Your stupid, attention seeking, vapid, vacuous and misleading posts are my target, not Mr Maqqa. He cannot save you from what you post, even if he wanted to.

By all means keep spewing off topic nonsense and keep posting irrelevant YouTube clips.

We wouldn't want you to be inconsistent.

But for everyone else....except for Aussie of course who clearly wants to "target" (his word) certain people in here...and has an insatiable urge to derail a DOMESTIC VIOLENCE TOPIC YET AGAIN.....let's move on.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #93 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 5:26pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 12:21pm:

Prime Minister for Canyons wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 9:16am:

So it's OK to hit a woman if she repeatedly hits your triggers?

Only a convicted perpetrator would answer yes to that question and pathetically attempt to use statute law to protect him from facing the reality of his sick and twisted mind.

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You will notice certain posters get very agitated when it comes to topics re Domestic Violence.

These posters will do everything to minimise, trivialize and marginalize DV issues....and blame the actual victims of DV.

Remember, DV IS A CRIME.

It's very telling when certain people cannot resist the internal rage and anger they still hold against victims of DV who have survived such an ordeal.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #94 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:04pm

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing

I would think it is on the rise.
to my shame, as a man.

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Reply #95 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:19pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:04pm:

aquascoot wrote on Nov 25^th, 2015 at 10:09pm:

is it really on the rise or is this just reporting bias.

a lot of DVO's are issued by police nowadays for very minor stuff , touching someone or raising ones voice and it would seem to be a ploy (sometimes) to play in the family court.

if a guy raises his voice , he can make a woman feel "scared' , take out a DVO and the family court will probably give her the kids.

whilst men shouldnt raise their voices, i think if a chick was screaming at her bloke and he called the cops, there would probably be no DVO.

so are we getting more DV, but its of a more trivial nature ??

anyone got any stats on the number of assaults that occasion grevious bodily harm or bodily harm. my suspicion is that THESE would actually be decreasing

I would think it is on the rise.
to my shame, as a man.

do you think so sprint.
i have no real idea.
i think a lot of things seem to be on the rise but its just increased reporting.
if it is on the rise, it doesnt say much for the leftard feminists who have been running the education of young men since gough , jim ciarns and junee morrossi employed 1000's of leftard female intellectuals to "interfere " in how kids were indoctrinated (oops , sorry...educated).

if the touchy feeley luvvies have created a cohort of angry violent men, maybe they should have left the raising of young men to alpha males instead of beaten down chodes and man hating feminists . maybe gough shouldnt have attacked the traditional family with his easy divorces and generous single mothers pensions (which seemed to have resulted in this wave of men who cannot control their emotions)

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Reply #96 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:23pm

It's complicated alright...and unbalanced.

Last weekend my son got arrested and put on, as Christian Porter, Minister for Social Services puts it, a 72 hour "cooling off" DVO issued by coppers...the kind that shoot first and ask questions later.

Backstory, son and his wife having marital issues and have a nine month old son.
Wife invited man hating friend over for a drink, which ends up being three bottles of wine (my son is a teetotaler of all drugs so is sober for the event). Wife decides with coercion by friend it's the day to leave the relationship.
Wife packs bag, grabs baby and attempts to leave house and get in drunk friends car, who incidentally has a three year old daughter with her. The plan is to drive 50km of city freeway and suburbs.
Son tries to take baby and keep him safe, gets beaten with frying pan, punched and kicked by both women, and a generous loss of skin due to sharp nails.
He loses that battle...next battle is to get baby out of drunk friends arms as she attempts to put him in back seat of car (her own 3yr old is strapped in ready for the drive). She starts screaming that she is being assaulted, neighbors call cops.
Cops take wife and friends's side of story that my son was trying to kidnap the baby and in doing so assaulted the two women. Son gets arrested and the rest is history.

How can a man looking out for the welfare of his son, who his drunk wife has co care whatsoever get the raw end of the deal.

So now if this ends up in a family court case, knifey wifey has a trumped up trump DVO card.

And on this debate of % of men vs women perpetrators...my father was an ambulance officer for 30 yrs with countless calls out to DV events. He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. This only accounts for violent DV, not the DV of psychological warfare.
Also the biggest threat he ever faced was at a DV call out, turns out a husband had been stabbed, then out of nowhere as he's stemming the blood flow, the wife charges him with a 30cm kitchen knife and attempts to stab him in the throat...lucky for him she was drunk and he was fast.

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #97 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:26pm

fezz wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

It's complicated alright...and unbalanced.

Last weekend my son got arrested and put on, as Christian Porter, Minister for Social Services puts it, a 72 hour "cooling off" DVO issued by coppers...the kind that shoot first and ask questions later.

Backstory, son and his wife having marital issues and have a nine month old son.
Wife invited man hating friend over for a drink, which ends up being three bottles of wine (my son is a teetotaler of all drugs so is sober for the event). Wife decides with coercion by friend it's the day to leave the relationship.
Wife packs bag, grabs baby and attempts to leave house and get in drunk friends car, who incidentally has a three year old daughter with her. The plan is to drive 50km of city freeway and suburbs.
Son tries to take baby and keep him safe, gets beaten with frying pan, punched and kicked by both women, and a generous loss of skin due to sharp nails.
He loses that battle...next battle is to get baby out of drunk friends arms as she attempts to put him in back seat of car (her own 3yr old is strapped in ready for the drive). She starts screaming that she is being assaulted, neighbors call cops.
Cops take wife and friends's side of story that my son was trying to kidnap the baby and in doing so assaulted the two women. Son gets arrested and the rest is history.

How can a man looking out for the welfare of his son, who his drunk wife has co care whatsoever get the raw end of the deal.

So now if this ends up in a family court case, knifey wifey has a trumped up trump DVO card.

And on this debate of % of men vs women perpetrators...my father was an ambulance officer for 30 yrs with countless calls out to DV events. He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. This only accounts for violent DV, not the DV of psychological warfare.
Also the biggest threat he ever faced was at a DV call out, turns out a husband had been stabbed, then out of nowhere as he's stemming the blood flow, the wife charges him with a 30cm kitchen knife and attempts to stab him in the throat...lucky for him she was drunk and he was fast.

Thats what I have heard from a social worker too

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..............He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. .......

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Re: Domestic violence - it's complicated
Reply #98 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:29pm

fezz wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

It's complicated alright...and unbalanced.

Last weekend my son got arrested and put on, as Christian Porter, Minister for Social Services puts it, a 72 hour "cooling off" DVO issued by coppers...the kind that shoot first and ask questions later.

Backstory, son and his wife having marital issues and have a nine month old son.
Wife invited man hating friend over for a drink, which ends up being three bottles of wine (my son is a teetotaler of all drugs so is sober for the event). Wife decides with coercion by friend it's the day to leave the relationship.
Wife packs bag, grabs baby and attempts to leave house and get in drunk friends car, who incidentally has a three year old daughter with her. The plan is to drive 50km of city freeway and suburbs.
Son tries to take baby and keep him safe, gets beaten with frying pan, punched and kicked by both women, and a generous loss of skin due to sharp nails.
He loses that battle...next battle is to get baby out of drunk friends arms as she attempts to put him in back seat of car (her own 3yr old is strapped in ready for the drive). She starts screaming that she is being assaulted, neighbors call cops.
Cops take wife and friends's side of story that my son was trying to kidnap the baby and in doing so assaulted the two women. Son gets arrested and the rest is history.

How can a man looking out for the welfare of his son, who his drunk wife has co care whatsoever get the raw end of the deal.

So now if this ends up in a family court case, knifey wifey has a trumped up trump DVO card.

And on this debate of % of men vs women perpetrators...my father was an ambulance officer for 30 yrs with countless calls out to DV events. He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. This only accounts for violent DV, not the DV of psychological warfare.
Also the biggest threat he ever faced was at a DV call out, turns out a husband had been stabbed, then out of nowhere as he's stemming the blood flow, the wife charges him with a 30cm kitchen knife and attempts to stab him in the throat...lucky for him she was drunk and he was fast.

Pretty obvious question. Did the cops allow this drunk woman to drive away?

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Reply #99 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:30pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:29pm:

fezz wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

It's complicated alright...and unbalanced.

Last weekend my son got arrested and put on, as Christian Porter, Minister for Social Services puts it, a 72 hour "cooling off" DVO issued by coppers...the kind that shoot first and ask questions later.

Backstory, son and his wife having marital issues and have a nine month old son.
Wife invited man hating friend over for a drink, which ends up being three bottles of wine (my son is a teetotaler of all drugs so is sober for the event). Wife decides with coercion by friend it's the day to leave the relationship.
Wife packs bag, grabs baby and attempts to leave house and get in drunk friends car, who incidentally has a three year old daughter with her. The plan is to drive 50km of city freeway and suburbs.
Son tries to take baby and keep him safe, gets beaten with frying pan, punched and kicked by both women, and a generous loss of skin due to sharp nails.
He loses that battle...next battle is to get baby out of drunk friends arms as she attempts to put him in back seat of car (her own 3yr old is strapped in ready for the drive). She starts screaming that she is being assaulted, neighbors call cops.
Cops take wife and friends's side of story that my son was trying to kidnap the baby and in doing so assaulted the two women. Son gets arrested and the rest is history.

How can a man looking out for the welfare of his son, who his drunk wife has co care whatsoever get the raw end of the deal.

So now if this ends up in a family court case, knifey wifey has a trumped up trump DVO card.

And on this debate of % of men vs women perpetrators...my father was an ambulance officer for 30 yrs with countless calls out to DV events. He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. This only accounts for violent DV, not the DV of psychological warfare.
Also the biggest threat he ever faced was at a DV call out, turns out a husband had been stabbed, then out of nowhere as he's stemming the blood flow, the wife charges him with a 30cm kitchen knife and attempts to stab him in the throat...lucky for him she was drunk and he was fast.

Pretty obvious question. Did the cops allow this drunk woman to drive away?

I only know that the cops told both drunk women to stay at the property, however who knows what she did once they left the scene.

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Reply #101 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:44pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:26pm:

fezz wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 6:23pm:

It's complicated alright...and unbalanced.

Last weekend my son got arrested and put on, as Christian Porter, Minister for Social Services puts it, a 72 hour "cooling off" DVO issued by coppers...the kind that shoot first and ask questions later.

Backstory, son and his wife having marital issues and have a nine month old son.
Wife invited man hating friend over for a drink, which ends up being three bottles of wine (my son is a teetotaler of all drugs so is sober for the event). Wife decides with coercion by friend it's the day to leave the relationship.
Wife packs bag, grabs baby and attempts to leave house and get in drunk friends car, who incidentally has a three year old daughter with her. The plan is to drive 50km of city freeway and suburbs.
Son tries to take baby and keep him safe, gets beaten with frying pan, punched and kicked by both women, and a generous loss of skin due to sharp nails.
He loses that battle...next battle is to get baby out of drunk friends arms as she attempts to put him in back seat of car (her own 3yr old is strapped in ready for the drive). She starts screaming that she is being assaulted, neighbors call cops.
Cops take wife and friends's side of story that my son was trying to kidnap the baby and in doing so assaulted the two women. Son gets arrested and the rest is history.

How can a man looking out for the welfare of his son, who his drunk wife has co care whatsoever get the raw end of the deal.

So now if this ends up in a family court case, knifey wifey has a trumped up trump DVO card.

And on this debate of % of men vs women perpetrators...my father was an ambulance officer for 30 yrs with countless calls out to DV events. He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. This only accounts for violent DV, not the DV of psychological warfare.
Also the biggest threat he ever faced was at a DV call out, turns out a husband had been stabbed, then out of nowhere as he's stemming the blood flow, the wife charges him with a 30cm kitchen knife and attempts to stab him in the throat...lucky for him she was drunk and he was fast.

Thats what I have heard from a social worker too

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..............He says that it's pretty much an even split as to the perps, with alcohol a correlation in 80% of cases. Not just drunk at the time either, the following day's hangover was prime-time for DV events to occur. .......

And that I can vouch first hand...my ex wife was at her worst of DV psychological warfare with a hangover, which was too many days a week.
I'm one of those blokes who spent the second half of a sustantial marriage dealing with an abusive woman, the only thing that kept us together so long was my FIFO career.
Now that we've separated, she has become a truly vengeful woman to the point of stalking me via any means possible, esp social media...that includes trying to bring my wider circle of friends into her fold.
The worst part of all of course is the poisoning of our younger children against me...but what can I do? Sweet FA apart from keeping logs for evidence.

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Reply #102 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:46pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

So.......they told the women, alleged victims of violence, to stay exactly where the alleged offender was, and they (Cops) left the scene.

Makes no sense to me.

No, my son was arrested and taken down town. Then told he could not go back to the house for 72 hours or he would be in breach of the DVO.

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Reply #103 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm

fezz wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

So.......they told the women, alleged victims of violence, to stay exactly where the alleged offender was, and they (Cops) left the scene.

Makes no sense to me.

No, my son was arrested and taken down town. Then told he could not go back to the house for 72 hours or he would be in breach of the DVO.

Ah. Okay. That adds up. Cheers.

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Reply #104 - Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:55pm

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:48pm:

fezz wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:46pm:

Aussie wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 7:33pm:

So.......they told the women, alleged victims of violence, to stay exactly where the alleged offender was, and they (Cops) left the scene.

Makes no sense to me.

No, my son was arrested and taken down town. Then told he could not go back to the house for 72 hours or he would be in breach of the DVO.

Ah. Okay. That adds up. Cheers.

All good...I know, this sh!t is complicated.

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