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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #15 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:46am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Let me get this right - if we treat asylum seekers like invading criminals we are being cruel under international law - so therefore if we are cruel we should not be extending asylum to anyone seeking it, since they should not be forced to accept our cruelty?

OK........

Let me get it right for you
(1) If we are cruel then we would have been prosecuted by now - therefore there's no cruelty

by whom?

UN

(2) The illegals have a right to withdraw their application at any time and go home

the fact that they don't is rather telling don't you think?

Yes it is telling

Australia is not cruel

How about 'egregious'?

"'Cruel, inhumane, degrading': Amnesty slams Australia's asylum policy"

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/15/cruel-inhumane-degrading-amnesty-s...

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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #16 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:46am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Let me get this right - if we treat asylum seekers like invading criminals we are being cruel under international law - so therefore if we are cruel we should not be extending asylum to anyone seeking it, since they should not be forced to accept our cruelty?

OK........

Let me get it right for you
(1) If we are cruel then we would have been prosecuted by now - therefore there's no cruelty

by whom?

UN

(2) The illegals have a right to withdraw their application at any time and go home

the fact that they don't is rather telling don't you think?

Yes it is telling

Australia is not cruel

How about 'egregious'?

"'Cruel, inhumane, degrading': Amnesty slams Australia's asylum policy"

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/15/cruel-inhumane-degrading-amnesty-s...

I wonder what Amnesty International thinks about the mess happening in Europe at the moment ??

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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #17 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 1:03pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:46am:

John Smith wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:45am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Let me get this right - if we treat asylum seekers like invading criminals we are being cruel under international law - so therefore if we are cruel we should not be extending asylum to anyone seeking it, since they should not be forced to accept our cruelty?

OK........

Let me get it right for you
(1) If we are cruel then we would have been prosecuted by now - therefore there's no cruelty

by whom?

UN

(2) The illegals have a right to withdraw their application at any time and go home

the fact that they don't is rather telling don't you think?

Yes it is telling

Australia is not cruel

How about 'egregious'?

"'Cruel, inhumane, degrading': Amnesty slams Australia's asylum policy"

http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2015/06/15/cruel-inhumane-degrading-amnesty-s...

If the asylum applicants believe what Amnesty is saying then they are welcome to withdraw their application

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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #18 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:49pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

Any idea how many Australian laws have been changed to prevent refugees from taking any type of action and to prevent anyone who knows anything from being able to report it ?

Feel free to show us these laws

Once these illegals qualify as a refugee - it's still not too late to F#CK OFF

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59082 Here Gender:	Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim Reply #19 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:50pm You seem to be excessively keen to keep embarrassing yourself with this silly topic.
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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #20 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 3:36pm

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:49pm:

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 12:31pm:

Any idea how many Australian laws have been changed to prevent refugees from taking any type of action and to prevent anyone who knows anything from being able to report it ?

Feel free to show us these laws

Once these illegals qualify as a refugee - it's still not too late to F#CK OFF

You've been misinformed.

Asylum seekers aren't illegals.

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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #21 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 3:38pm

Dnarever wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 2:50pm:

You seem to be excessively keen to keep embarrassing yourself with this silly topic.

And he's doing an extraordinarily good job.

The first thing he needs to do, is learn the difference between asylum seekers and illegals.

Otherwise, he's just going to keep making a dill of himself.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim Reply #22 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:02pm Can't remember the last time an asylum application was withdrawn by an applicant If Australia is so cruel then they wouldn't want to come here
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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35551 Gender:	Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim Reply #23 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:20pm Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:02pm: Can't remember the last time an asylum application was withdrawn by an applicant If Australia is so cruel then they wouldn't want to come here All that speaks to is how desperate they are to flee their home-land. Own goal Maqqa.
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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #24 - Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:38pm

mothra wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:20pm:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:02pm:

Can't remember the last time an asylum application was withdrawn by an applicant

If Australia is so cruel then they wouldn't want to come here

All that speaks to is how desperate they are to flee their home-land.

Own goal Maqqa.

Your admission is the own goal

We've seen accusations from the left about how Australia is causing them to self harm, suicide, rape concentration camp etc

But if these things are truly that bad to drive them to this point then we are treating them worser that where they come from

If we are treating them this bad then we should see 2 things
(1) Voluntary application for asylum to another country - permitted under Article 31 section 2 of the UN Refugee Convention
(2) Voluntary withdraw their application to go back to their own country

Clearly there's been no voluntary withdraw of application or a voluntary application to another country. This means the conditions in Australia is clearly to their liking

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139092 Gender:	Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim Reply #25 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:35am Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 10:02pm: If Australia is so cruel then they wouldn't want to come here Australia is cruel, but not as bad as the places they have come from. /thread.
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Reply #26 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:06am

Maqqa wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:35am:

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 11:50pm:

Let me get this right - if we treat asylum seekers like invading criminals we are being cruel under international law - so therefore if we are cruel we should not be extending asylum to anyone seeking it, since they should not be forced to accept our cruelty?

OK........

Let me get it right for you
(1) If we are cruel then we would have been prosecuted by now - therefore there's no cruelty
(2) The illegals have a right to withdraw their application at any time and go home

(1) Under what law would Australia's government (as separate from its people - snuckle - now there's a rub) be prosecuted for cruel treatment of asylum seekers?

For Crimes Against Humanity? That actually might wash if someone had the balls to put it up there... I'm sure Geoffrey Robertson would make a case at The Hague... hypothetically speaking.....

As Grigor said - a convention is not a Law and is not enforceable other than in conscience - and again - there's a rub with this government...

It seems gentlemen's agreements are anything but.. and once again - there's a rub in many ways and places here today....

(2) Ah, yes - but can we equally say that an asylum seeker is ENCOURAGED to continue his/her application when placed under the pressures that currently exist? An application is, after all, only an application and is pending proof or acceptance of its genuine nature..... why then is so much effort expended in trying to get applicants to withdraw their application before the proof is put to the test?

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Dnarever Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 59082 Here Gender:	Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim Reply #27 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 4:58am If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim A lot of people would say that it is better to fix the root of the problem.
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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #28 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:49pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Nov 28^th, 2015 at 2:06am:

(1) Under what law would Australia's government (as separate from its people - snuckle - now there's a rub) be prosecuted for cruel treatment of asylum seekers?

That would be the International Human Rights Law. UN Treaties. International Criminal Court oversea and enforce these laws

For Crimes Against Humanity? That actually might wash if someone had the balls to put it up there... I'm sure Geoffrey Robertson would make a case at The Hague... hypothetically speaking.....

As Grigor said - a convention is not a Law and is not enforceable other than in conscience - and again - there's a rub with this government...

It seems gentlemen's agreements are anything but.. and once again - there's a rub in many ways and places here today....

The Laws and Treaty I cited above are enforceable. Many have been prosecuted by it

(2) Ah, yes - but can we equally say that an asylum seeker is ENCOURAGED to continue his/her application when placed under the pressures that currently exist? An application is, after all, only an application and is pending proof or acceptance of its genuine nature..... why then is so much effort expended in trying to get applicants to withdraw their application before the proof is put to the test?

So now there theory is they are co-erced into continuing with the application. Bogeyman under the bed. If so then they are no longer asylum seeking.

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Re: If Australia is cruel then cancel asylum claim
Reply #29 - Nov 28^th, 2015 at 1:57pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Nov 27^th, 2015 at 8:24am:

Maqqa wrote on Nov 26^th, 2015 at 10:40pm:

We hear leftards telling everyone how Australia is SOOOOOOO cruel

If we are so cruel then these ILLEGALS are welcome to withdraw their asylum claim anytime.

They can apply to New Zealand if they want or to any other country

In fact if they have FACTS backing the cruelty claim they can claim asylum to other countries based on this cruelty

Has anyone seen any ILLEGALS withdrawing their application and go back to their country?

So if you ain't withdrawing your application then SHUT THE F#CK UP and wait until we process you!!!

You've been misinformed.

Asylum seekers aren't illegals.

"Asylum" seekers may not be illegal

but the method by which they seek asylum definitely is

Furthermore in most cases they have done everything possible to prevent it being discovered they are not genuine....

they are economic migrants arriving by illegal means

if as many say ... "there are more illegals here that have come by plane"

then why do we have boat people who have flown halfway around the globe to Indonesia & paid people smugglers at considerable expense....

then hop on a leaky boat in dangerous seas for the shortest leg of their journey?

It's because the premise of desperate asylum seeker is just a lie.

I'm sure people like you could be commercially fished....

because you rise on the flimsiest of bait.

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